Mr. Specter.

Indicating right hand up toward his neck?

Mr. Kellerman.

That is right, sir. In fact, both hands were up in that direction.
Senator COOPER. Which side of his neck?

Mr. Kellerman.

Beg pardon?
Senator COOPER. Which side of his neck?

Mr. Kellerman.

Both hands were up, sir; this one is like this here and here we are with the hands--

Mr. Specter.

Indicating the left hand is up above the head.

Mr. Kellerman.

In the collar section.

Mr. Specter.

As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your right hand is up with the finger at the ear level as if clutching from the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the position you pictured there?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.

Mr. Specter.

Indicating on his left side.

Mr. Kellerman.

Right; just like I am here.

Mr. Specter.

You mean, correct, left side?

Mr. Kellerman.

Correct; yes, sir. Governor Connally by that time is lying flat backwards into her lap-- Mrs. Connally--and she was lying flat over him.

Mr. Specter.

Who was lying flat over him?

Mr. Kellerman.

Mrs. Connally was lying flat over the Governor.

Mr. Specter.

You say that you turned to your right immediately after you heard a shot?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

What was the reason for your reacting to your right?

Mr. Kellerman.

That was the direction that I heard this noise, pop.

Mr. Specter.

Do you have a reaction as to the height from which the noise came?

Mr. Kellerman.

No; honestly, I do not.

Representative Ford.

Was there any reaction that you noticed on the part of Greer when the noise was noticed by you?

Mr. Kellerman.

You are referring, Mr. Congressman, to the reaction to get this car out of there?

Representative Ford.

Yes.

Mr. Kellerman.

Mr. Congressman, I have driven that car many times, and I never cease to be amazed even to this day with the weight of the automobile plus the power that is under the hood; we just literally jumped out of the God-damn road.

Representative Ford.

As soon as this noise was heard, or as soon as you transmitted this message to Lawson?

Mr. Kellerman.

As soon as I transmitted to the driver first as I went to Lawson. I just leaned sideways to, him and said, "Let's get out of here. We are hit."

Representative Ford.

That comment was made to Greer; not to Lawson?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir; that is right.

Representative Ford.

And the subsequent message was to Lawson?

Mr. Kellerman.

Correct. That is right.

Mr. Specter.

With relationship to that first noise that you have described, when did you hear the voice?

Mr. Kellerman.

His voice?

Mr. Specter.

We will start with his voice.

Mr. Kellerman.

OK. From the noise of which I was in the process of turning to determine where it was or what it was, it carried on right then. Why I