Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And we discussed this yesterday, as I recall?

Mrs. Paine.

Briefly.

Mr. Jenner.

And what conclusions did you come to on that score and why?

Mrs. Paine.

I thought that he was not very intelligent. I saw as far as I could see he had no particular contacts. He was not a person I would have hired for a job of any sort, no more than I would have let him borrow my car.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you give consideration in that connection? Did his level of intelligence affect your judgment as to whether the Russian Government would have hired him?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

How did it affect you?

Mrs. Paine.

I doubted they would have hired him. I kept my mind open on it to wonder.

Mr. Jenner.

And you had doubt why?

Mrs. Paine.

Simply because he had gone to the Soviet Union and announced that he wanted to stay, and then came back, and I wasn't convinced that he liked America.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your judgment of him, and as to his level of intelligence, affect your decision ultimately that the Russian Government might not or would not have hired him because he was not a man of capacity to serve in such a way for the Russian Government?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; that affected my judgment.

Mr. Dulles.

Have you any idea as to his motivation in the act, in light of what you have said in the assassination?

Mrs. Paine.

It is conjecture, of course, but I feel he always felt himself to be a small person; and he was right. That he wanted to be greater, or noticed, and Marina had said of him he thinks he is so big and fine, and he should take a more realistic view of himself and not be so conceited.
(At this point, Representative Ford entered the hearing room.)

Mrs. Paine.

And I feel that he acted much more from the emotional pushings within him than from any rational set of ideas, and--

Mr. Dulles.

Emotional pushings toward aggrandizement you have in mind is what you said?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Mccloy.

When you testified earlier this morning, Mrs. Paine, about the

dry sighting of the rifle, you know what dry sighting is, don't you?

Mrs. Paine.

I found out last night.

Mr. Mccloy.

You found that out last night?
Senator COOPER. Tell her to describe it then.

Mrs. Paine.

Shall I try to describe it? See if I know? It involves holding the rifle and as if to fire and pulling the trigger, but without any ammunition in it. Going through the motions and, therefore, wiggling it and having to resight it.

Representative Ford.

Going through the motions?

Mrs. Paine.

Of ejecting something.
Senator COOPER. A dry run.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that sufficient, Senator?

Mrs. Paine.

Do I understand it?

Mr. Mccloy.

That is a pretty good description, it is just as well as I can give.

Representative Ford.

You actually saw him doing this?

Mrs. Paine.

No, he showed me last night how it was done.

Mr. Mccloy.

We had testimony this morning whether he had an opportunity to dry sight the rifle in his New Orleans house.

Mrs. Paine.

I was just discussing what would be visible in the front of his house.

Mr. Jenner.

We were having some testimony, Representative Ford, of Lee Harvey Oswald's dry sighting of the rifle when he was in New Orleans.

Representative Ford.

Marina so testified when she was here.

Mr. Mccloy.

You don't purport to say it was impossible for him to do it without observation but it was difficult.

Mrs. Paine.

It was difficult.