Mr. Jenner.

Or a gun, a rifle?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

No? Nothing?

Mrs. Paine.

Nothing. I did not move these bags.

Mr. Jenner.

To the extent you saw them is all I am inquiring about. You did not touch them, you did not lift them, but you saw them.

Mrs. Paine.

I did.

Mr. Jenner.

There appeared--the entire circumference of these bags which you could see was smooth?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, smooth, bumpy, but irregular.

Mr. Jenner.

But no stick, no hard surface. Now, what about the diameter of these bags, these duffelbags, what would you say it was?

Mrs. Paine.

About like this, 15, 18, 20 inches across.

Mr. Jenner.

Eighteen, twenty inches across?

Mrs. Paine.

Probably more than that.

Mr. Jenner.

This is 15 inches.

Mrs. Paine.

About like this; a little more than 15, probably.

Mr. Jenner.

About 18 inches. Now, how many pieces of luggage in addition to the two duffelbags?

Mrs. Paine.

Quite a few. There were probably three suitcases.

Mr. Jenner.

Three suitcases?

Mrs. Paine.

Or more. A small radio bought in Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

I want to stick with the luggage.

Mrs. Paine.

All right.

Mr. Jenner.

Three suitcases?

Mrs. Paine.

I think so, two or three, and a large softsided suitcase, I don't know what to call it. It zips around the side.

Mr. Jenner.

Zipper case?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes, made of canvas.

Mr. Jenner.

We would like to have you describe that zipper case.

Mrs. Paine.

It is green----

Mr. Jenner.

I am interrupting you, I am sorry. Were there any other pieces of luggage, first?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall.

Mr. Jenner.

So there were two or three or possibly four, is that true, suitcases?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And there was a zipper case?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe this zipper case to us first.

Mrs. Paine.

It stood about so high [indicating].

Mr. Jenner.

So high is 15 inches, about 30 inches long?

Mrs. Paine.

Not quite, about that long [indicating].

Mr. Jenner.

It was a generous sized zipper case?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. With generally green canvas and leather, dark-colored leather.

Mr. Jenner.

Black or brown do you remember the color?

Mrs. Paine.

Dark brown, I guess, or black, certainly very dark.

Mr. Jenner.

It was a generous sized one, was it not?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did it appear to be well packed?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you describe each of the three suitcases now, with particular reference to the staff being interested in whether they were rectangular, whether they were hard boarded types of things, or whether they were canvas or soft?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't remember how many there were. I recall they had a hard composition kind of suitcase such as you don't buy here, and I judge they were bought in the Soviet Union. I think there may have been two of those.

Mr. Jenner.

Was any one of them rectangular in shape?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. That was rectangular.