Mrs. Paine.

Oh, yes.

Representative Ford.

When she might follow? This is what puzzles me.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. Well, I can only guess about this. I judge from his having done this that he certainly intended for her to follow, and it is also Possible she couldn't have asked for a bus ticket herself. If he had written her and said, "Don't come to New Orleans, come to Nashville," and he had said, "That is where I have got my job," he might have felt she would not know how to go and get such a bus ticket.

Mr. Dulles.

Is it also possible he may not have wanted to leave that amount of money with her to buy a ticket and preferred to leave her a ticket rather than cash?

Mrs. Paine.

This is possible, this is possible.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.
Now, Mrs. Paine, in light of that speculation, tell us what discussion there was on the subject.

Mrs. Paine.

I think I have, that while he was in the bus station I thought how difficult it would be for her to travel alone with the baby, and all the things--

Mr. Jenner.

And you raised that yourself for the first time at that point?

Mrs. Paine.

Then I said she might stay with me while waiting to hear from him, and that I would drive her down if we did hear that he had gotten work.

Mr. Jenner.

Had there been prior discussion that it was contemplated that, if he obtained a position, she would join him in New Orleans, or wherever he obtained a position.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. We had already talked about that at the apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

And that had been discussed with her present?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And discussed in Russian so that she could have understood the discussion?

Mrs. Paine.

To the best of my recollection, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, Mrs. Paine, the staff is interested in Lee Harvey Oswald's luggage.

Mrs. Paine.

What?

Mr. Jenner.

His luggage.

Mrs. Paine.

Luggage.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you please, to the best of your recollection, tell us what pieces of luggage he had on that occasion, what they looked like, their shape and form?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. He had two large marine duffelbags with his name on them, and probably his Marine serial number. It was marked with a good deal of white paint. It stood quite high.

Mr. Jenner.

Were they up-ended when you say high? You mean standing on end, they were high?

Mrs. Paine.

Standing on their end they would come well above this table.

Mr. Jenner.

I see. About 40 inches?

Mrs. Paine.

Something like that; I would guess so.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, I am interested in just that. Would you go over to the drawing board and move your hand, judge from the floor, and stop right there? We will measure that later.

Mrs. Paine.

Understand I saw those two later in my garage.

Mr. Jenner.

I understand, and I will get to that. That is just about 45 inches, and there were two of them?

Mrs. Paine.

There were two of them. Do you want anything about the rest of the luggage? Does that interest you the most?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, I am interested, and I would like to stick with the duffel-bags for a moment. Was there any appearance as to either duffelbag, which, to you, would indicate some long, slim, hard----

Mrs. Paine.

I assume them to be both full of clothes, very rounded.

Mr. Jenner.

I 'don't wish to be persistent, but was there anything that you saw about the duffelbags that lead you at that time to even think for an instant that there was anything long, slim and hard like a pole?

Mrs. Paine.

No.