Representative Ford.

Well, in that group of things which were so packed, were there things for Marina and Lee?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

I mean Marina and June, excuse me?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. Some of their things were among those things, yes, I judge so, clothing. The things that remained were a crib, playpen, baby stroller, some dishes, some clothing.

Representative Ford.

The things you would not ordinarily take on a bus, however.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; it would be very difficult. That was another one of the things that motivated me to suggest driving her down. I thought sending these by train, with the risk of their getting strayed or--it would be difficult, trying, for her to try to handle them, or convey them with her by bus--that would have been worse.

Representative Ford.

But there were some things that were packed in the things that Lee was going to take with him that would include things--

Mrs. Paine.

That belonged--

Representative Ford.

To--to Marina and to June?

Mrs. Paine.

I would judge so simply by what remained. Surely it was not the total sum of her clothing and June's clothing.

Representative Ford.

Which could lead a person to the conclusion that at one stage of their discussion Marina was going to accompany Lee to New Orleans.

Mrs. Paine.

Not from the time I arrived.

Representative Ford.

From the station.

Mrs. Paine.

It was clear she would stay up in the apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to that time it appeared to you from what was in the duffelbag.

Mrs. Paine.

I think he was carrying all he could to lighten her burden. In other words, if and when she followed, he was carrying all he could.

Mr. Jenner.

Representative Ford is interested in this, Mrs. Paine.

Mr. Dulles.

I am puzzled, too.

Mr. Jenner.

When you arrived at the Oswald apartment that morning, Lee Oswald had duffelbags packed and some--

Mrs. Paine.

Suitcases.

Mr. Jenner.

Suitcases. He had in those suitcases and in the duffelbag some of the apparel for Mrs. Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

Of course, I did not see it. I have to guess what was in it.

Mr. Jenner.

But, from your knowledge of the household and afterwards, this was at least your impression?

Mrs. Paine.

That they must have included some of her things.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes. Which, in turn, might lead to the inference that, therefore, they contemplated at that moment from what he was taking that Marina was ultimately to join him in New Orleans.

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, yes; absolutely.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that correct?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. Was that your question?

Representative Ford.

Or even at one point in the process of packing, she and June were going to accompany him to New Orleans on the bus.

Mrs. Paine.

I didn't have that impression, no. No, he was going and happened to stay with an aunt and uncle where he could live without much charge. For her to come would have been quite a greater expense, and a risky one without a job, nothing coming in, so he was hoping that he could stay with the aunt and uncle while he looked, and then if he got remunerative work, get an apartment and call her to come, too.

Representative Ford.

If that is so, and let us assume that is so.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

It puzzles me that he went into the bus station and bought two tickets, one for himself and one for her.

Mrs. Paine.

How would she get there?

Representative Ford.

Well, eventually she might have to go by bus. But why should he at this time make an investment in a bus ticket when there was no certainty--