Mr. Jenner.

Am I wrong?

Mrs. Paine.

That is wrong. She was to have stayed in the apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mrs. Paine.

And wait to hear from him.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

If they had been going together that would not have been the hardship on her, but that traveling alone was, I felt.

Representative Ford.

Why did he buy the ticket for her at the--

Mrs. Paine.

To leave with her so that she could follow him when he called, to leave the ticket in her hand as a means of her following him. I haven't been clear.

Mr. Jenner.

It was a little indefinite.

Mr. Dulles.

I thought the ticket had been redeemed; then he bought another ticket?

Mrs. Paine.

He bought a ticket for himself and a ticket for her.

Mr. Dulles.

You said, "I will take her," and then he redeemed the ticket for her, and gave her the cash?

Mr. Jenner.

Gave her some money?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

The Chairman.

But the ticket that he did buy for her--

Mrs. Paine.

Was to have been left with her.

The Chairman.

Was for a subsequent date?

Mrs. Paine.

For a subsequent date following.

The Chairman.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

That is it.

Mr. Jenner.

That was clear to you on that occasion?

Mrs. Paine.

That was clear.

Mr. Jenner.

She was scheduled to join him subsequently?

Mrs. Paine.

She was scheduled to join him subsequently if he did find work. If he found no work there would have been no point to her making the trip.

Mr. Jenner.

Is this a discussion or is it your rationalization?

Mrs. Paine.

It was clearly said she would stay.

Mr. Dulles.

I am puzzled. I am puzzled, Mr. Jenner, about this ticket business.

Mr. Jenner.

I am, too.

Mr. Dulles.

A ticket was bought for her on the theory that she was going with him first.

Mr. Mccloy.

No.

Mr. Dulles.

That is where I got off the track. He bought two tickets, then why was the ticket redeemed?

Mr. Mccloy.

Because it was made clear by Mrs. Paine that she was going to take Marina down in her own car.

Mr. Dulles.

But only going to stay with you during the period until he got work, hence she wouldn't need a ticket. You were going to drive her down?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You would drive her down all the way to New Orleans?

Mrs. Paine.

In either case it was planned to delay going.

Mr. Dulles.

She would go down if he got work, but she would not need a ticket if she stayed with you. Therefore, the ticket was redeemed.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. But I did not think of this or suggest it until after he had already bought the ticket.

Representative Ford.

May I ask this, Mrs. Paine? In the things that were packed when you arrived, or things that were packed while you were present--

Mrs. Paine.

Nothing was packed while I was present. It was already packed.

Representative Ford.

Everything was already packed by the time you got there?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

Were any of the things for Marina or Lee packed?

Mrs. Paine.

They were all packed. I don't understand your question. All of the things he wanted to take with him to the bus station were already packed.