Mr. Paine.

It is possible we would have mentioned Welch. I don't think I would have mentioned Welch, I didn't know anything specifically about the John Birch Society at the time.
Senator COOPER. Was Walker, he was talking about Walker?

Mr. Paine.

He was the only one whose name was mentioned.
Senator COOPER. Are you sure whether or not Oswald made any comment at any time during this conversation about Walker?

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember, as I say, I remember it very vaguely but I remember telling that instance of his conducting that ceremony. But-- and Walker was known, I knew that Walker was known to Lee. And at least it achieved a certain feeling of similarity there, even though the similarity was only superficial in our views and feelings about it. I don't think he went on to describe any--it was mostly a ploy on my part to curry him or make him feel more at ease.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was clear to you at that time that both you and Mr. Oswald had an adverse view of General Walker and did not think favorably of him, is that correct?

Mr. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

Had you heard of Lee Oswald before you had occasion to go and pick him up that time and bring him to your house for dinner?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; I heard about him as soon as Ruth had been invited to this party back in February, whenever it was.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was the basis of your wife's interest in the Oswalds and of your interest in the Oswalds?

Mr. Paine.

Everett Clover invited us knowing that Ruth was studying Russian and that--asked us if we would be interested in meeting this--they were presented to us as an American who had defected to Russia and decided he didn't like it and came back and brought a Russian wife with him. Would we like to meet these people? Yes, that sounded interesting.

Mr. Dulles.

Was this the Fort Worth group?

Mr. Paine.

No; this is in Dallas.

Mr. Dulles.

Dallas.

Mr. Liebeler.

After this first meeting with Lee Oswald when was the next time that you saw him?

Mr. Paine.

That would be after he returned, when Marina was living with us, when he returned, we thought he returned from looking for work from Houston but apparently it had been his trip to Mexico.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us the circumstances of how you met him and what happened at that time?

Mr. Dulles.

Could we have the date of this?

Mr. Liebeler.

This would have been what, early October or late September of 1963?

Mr. Paine.

I think Marina was there about a week, at least a week before he came, if she came the 24th of September, which comes to my mind, it would be in the early part of October. I would normally appear at the house on Fridays, sometimes occasionally on Sundays, I would come on Friday evening, and--

Mr. Liebeler.

You were separated from your wife at this time?

Mr. Paine.

That is correct.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you had your own apartment at Arlington, Tex.?

Mr. Paine.

Grand Prairie.

Mr. Liebeler.

Grand Prairie.

Mr. Paine.

I don't particularly remember, the occasions don't stand out one from another. The first two meetings, I think were before he found work, and at first I talked a little bit about the problem of finding work with him.

Mr. Dulles.

These were the first two meetings after the preliminary meeting?

Mr. Paine.

Yes. While Marina was staying with us.

Mr. Liebeler.

Go through your testimony, Mr. Paine and tell us as best you can recall how many times you saw Oswald after his return from New Orleans, up until the time of his assassination?

Mr. Paine.

I think I saw him every weekend on Friday; I think he was there except for the weekend, before the assassination, exceptional.
I would arrive on Tuesday or Wednesdays and, of course, he was not there