Mr. Dulles.

To refresh my recollection, there was about 2 days or----

Mr. Liebeler.

8 days before.

Mr. Rankin.

It was on the 10th.
Senator COOPER. Did he indicate in any way that he knew about General Walker at that time?

Mr. Paine.

We seemed to agree at least superficially that in thinking the far right was unfortunate in its thoughts.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he say anything or do anything that would lead you to believe that he planned an attack on General Walker?

Mr. Paine.

Absolutely not.
Senator COOPER. Did he indicate in any way that he knew about General Walker's activities and beliefs and position on public affairs?

Mr. Paine.

When I went to the ACLU meeting he then got up, stood up and reported what had happened at the meeting of the far right which had occurred at convention hall the day before, U.N. Day, they called it U.S. Day, and I think Walker had spoken then.
From this I gathered that he was doing more or less the same thing-- I thought he was, I didn't inquire how he spent his free time but I supposed he was going around to right wing groups being familiarizing himself for whatever his purposes were as I was.
Senator COOPER. Is that prior to the conversation you have talked about?

Mr. Paine.

No; this is after this conversation.
Senator COOPER. What?
Mr. Paine This is after this conversation and I only had this, this was the only concrete evidence I had of how he spent, might have spent some of his time. It happened in the ACLU meeting in late October. I suppose he was familiar with the right-wing groups and activities, and movements. And certainly familiar with Walker; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Confining the Senator's question to the meeting in April, he didn't indicate in any way that he was familiar with Walker's attitude or activities?

Mr. Paine.

He was familiar with Walker. He knew who Walker was, there was no doubt about that. We were talking about Walker.

Representative Ford.

To find some common ground.

Mr. Dulles.

He didn't say he knew where Walker lived or anything of that kind. That didn't come up?

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he indicate any understanding to you at that April meeting of Walker's attitude?

Mr. Paine.

I don't think he singled out Walker as--I had the impression that he was quite familiar with Walker and probably familiar with the names of various right-wing groups, shall we say, the Christian Science, not the Christian Science, I have forgotten the names of various organizations.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you relate to Oswald this story about Walker speaking at the meeting or the ceremony at which the immigrants were given their citizenship?

Mr. Paine.

I believe I did; yes. I believe that is what I said about Walker at the time.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was his response to that?

Mr. Paine.

And I think he didn't say much. I think he smiled and nodded his head and did that kind of thing. He may have said just a few words.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you take it that Oswald agreed with the views that you expressed?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, after this first meeting
Senator COOPER. May I interrupt you again, I don't want to interrupt your train too much but I think you had said that during this conversation that you did have some discussion about right-wing groups.

Mr. Paine.

Yes.
Senator COOPER. And their position and activities, and so forth. In that discussion were individuals named or members assumed to be members of that group?
(At this point Representative Ford left the hearing room.)