Mr. Paine.

and there was Ruth and Marina. I would simply come in on Sunday when he was generally there.
Also, I quite specifically remember on the long holiday he had some period there, I don't remember, what celebration it is, when Bell did not have that day off and he did, so he was there that morning, a Monday morning on that date of that holiday, perhaps you can feed me the date.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would that be November 8th, 9th and 10th, 1963?

Mr. Paine.

I think that is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was that the last time you saw him?

Mr. Paine.

That would be correct; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, tell us the circumstances about how Oswald arrived in Irving upon his return from New Orleans as best you can recall it, what happened, what was said.

Mr. Paine.

I must not have been there when the phone call arrived but I think Ruth reported it to me so that Ruth said that Marina was very pleased, very happy to receive this call, a surprise or something. I think I had at one or two times seen her answer a call from him, and I observed she was glad to have this call from him but I wasn't there when he first called, I don't believe.

Mr. Dulles.

Was that the call from New Orleans to Irving?

Mr. Paine.

No; that is the call from somewhere in Dallas to Irving asking if he could come out. I don't know of a call from New Orleans to Irving.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he subsequently come out to the house in Irving that weekend?

Mr. Paine.

Then he came out that weekend. I suppose he came out on a Friday and it was probably before I got over there, I arrived about six.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember if he was there when you arrived home that weekend?

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember that. I think he was there; yes. I think he was there because otherwise I would have seen that meeting. I did not see them first embrace each other.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he say anything to you about where he had been?

Mr. Paine.

No; I thought I knew where he had been. Ruth had told me he was looking for work in Houston.

Mr. Liebeler.

Ruth had told you that before this date?

Mr. Paine.

I don't know.

Mr. Liebeler.

There was no conversation among any one at that time about Oswald having been in Mexico.

Mr. Paine.

No; it was a complete surprise to Ruth and myself. When we saw this letter where he mentioned having been to Mexico, Ruth took it as an example of his colossal lying.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us about this letter, what were the circumstances surrounding that?

Mr. Paine.

He had written a letter using her typewriter and her desk to a party I don't know.

Mr. Dulles.

That is Ruth's typewriter and desk?

Mr. Paine.

Ruth's typewriter and he left the rough draft of the letter on her desk, not folded, just out there on her desk, in English. Ruth had given me the impression it was there for a couple of days. Actually it was there for a day and a half or so. I think he wrote it on Saturday and we then moved the furniture on Sunday night.

Mr. Dulles.

This would be Saturday, November what?

Mr. Paine.

This might be that holiday November. I don't remember for sure about that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Paine, you and I discussed this question yesterday and I asked you whether you recalled seeing Oswald again after you had discussed this letter with your wife. What did you tell me?

Mr. Paine.

I thought probably not but we figured out the dates from my probable reaction that I read that letter and then had I encountered him again I would have had a different, I would have had questions or feelings or something in response to this letter and since I didn't encounter him with those feelings I must not have seen him again.