Mr. Paine.

I am not in sympathy.

Mr. Dulles.

So I gathered.

Mr. Paine.

I have been to a number of rightist meetings and seminars in Texas. I was interested in seeing more communication between the right and the left; there isn't much liberal out there and so I wanted to be able to speak their language and know that their fears--and be familiar with their feelings and attitudes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there any discussion at this meeting as far as you can recall of Mr. Stevenson's appearance in Dallas?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't believe there was any.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there any discussion of the policy of the Kennedy administration?

Mr. Paine.

There was no discussion at that meeting. It was a 2- or 3-hour lecture on a movie by Welch, and then a young man gave a few more explanations about the organization. It was mostly an introductory meeting. I think for newcomers.

Mr. Liebeler.

Telling them about the John Birch Society itself?

Mr. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Welch was not there, was he?

Mr. Paine.

No; he was not.

Representative Ford.

Was this a movie in which he participated?

Mr. Paine.

He was the speaker at a lectern in this movie.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any knowledge of the political attitudes or activities of your father, George Lyman Paine?

Mr. Paine.

I have very little specific knowledge of what he does.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us what you do know about your father's political activities?

Mr. Paine.

I have seen my father rather rarely. Since I have been in Texas, I have seen him more frequently. I think I have been out there three times now in the last 5 years.

Mr. Liebeler.

When you say out there you mean Los Angeles?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; I have seen him twice. He was out to Texas. I have been to Los Angeles twice, and he came at least once to Dallas.

Mr. Liebeler.

Please fix the time when you went to Los Angeles?

Mr. Paine.

Last summer, 2 weeks in August or something. I was there for 3 days, the first, the middle of August.
I would guess it was about 2 years before that that I had been there. I could be off by a year both ways. I can't even remember whether he came--I think he probably interspersed his visit between mine.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you recall that he visited Irving on two different occasions, once in Christmas, 1962?

Mr. Paine.

One was a Christmas party, that is right.

Mr. Liebeler.

And once in the summer of 1961.

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember '61. I do remember pictures now, we have pictures showing us outside so that was balmy weather.

Mr. Liebeler.

So that in the period that you have been living in Texas you have gone to Los Angeles on two different occasions and visited your father there and he has been in Irving on two different occasions, is that correct?

Mr. Paine.

That seems, I think, to be right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you go on and tell us what you know about your father's political activities?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.
Well, we would have to go back to a little to when I lived in New York as a school student in school, grammar school and high school. There I would see him very infrequently considering our close proximity and the fact that I found him stimulating and I liked him.
He took me to a few, one or possibly two, Communist meetings at my considerable insistence. He didn't urge this upon me. I wanted to go, to get the feeling of the I asked him what he did or something and I wanted to know all this, my mother said he was on the radical left.
So, I went to a few of those meetings, and didn't--was unfamiliar with the issues and questions they were debating. I got the feeling, I came away with