Mr. Liebeler.

Is Dallas the only place you have attended meetings of the ACLU?

Mr. Paine.

To my knowledge.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you acquainted with an organization known as the Friends Peace Committee?

Mr. Paine.

It is a familiar name. I guess not, though. I don't think I have been to a meeting-of theirs.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know if it is connected in any way with the Young Friends Committee of North America.

Mr. Paine.

I take it to be a Friend, you know, a Quaker committee but I believe it is connected.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know a gentleman by the name of Dennis Jamison, who I believe is active in the Friends Peace Committee?

Mr. Paine.

I don't think so.

Mr. Liebeler.

Or George Lakey?

Mr. Paine.

For practical purposes; no. The names seem a little familiar but I can't place them.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any recollection of the connection in which it is familiar to you?

Mr. Paine.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you familiar with the Committee for Non-Violent Action?

Mr. Paine.

Many of these things sound familiar. I don't--I really am saying no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you a member or have you ever attended any meetings of the John Birch Society?

Mr. Paine.

I am not a member. I have been to one or, I guess chiefly one meeting of theirs.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where was that?

Mr. Paine.

That was in Dallas?

Mr. Liebeler.

When?

Mr. Paine.

That was the night Stevenson spoke in Dallas.

The Chairman.

When?

Mr. Paine.

The night Stevenson spoke in Dallas, U.N. Day.

Representative Ford.

Was that 1963?

Mr. Paine.

Yes,

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us the circumstances of your attendance at that meeting and what happened?

Mr. Paine.

I had been seeking to go to a Birch meeting for some time, and then I was invited on this night so I went. It was an introductory meeting.

Mr. Dulles.

On the 9th of November?

Mr. Paine.

It was November something, I don't know what, a Wednesday or Thursday night.

Mr. Liebeler.

For the record I think the record should indicate that Mr. Stevenson was in Dallas on or about October 24, 1963. Who invited you to this meeting?

Mr. Paine.

I had tried once before to go to a meeting which didn't occur. There happens to be a member of our choir, a paid soloist who is a John Birch advocate so I have been applying--so I have been telling her, that I wanted to go. I suppose, I don't remember for certain but I suppose she was the one who told me where and when.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did this meeting have anything to do with the activity that occurred at Mr. Stevenson's meeting in Dallas?

Mr. Paine.

No. You see they were taking place at the same time. It was rather sparsely attended, most of them were down spitting on Stevenson.

Mr. Liebeler.

The Birch meeting which you were down to was sparsely attended?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Representative Ford.

Was this an evening meeting or afternoon?

Mr. Paine.

This is evening.

Representative Ford.

Evening.

Mr. Dulles.

May I ask, did you go out of curiosity rather than sympathy or rather how did you happen to go?