Mr. Ball.

When did you punch it exactly? Where were you when you punched it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I punched it before I left the end of the line, in other words.

Mr. Ball.

This is number 004459, is the transfer number. Entitled "The Shoppers Transfer." Every transfer has a separate number, has it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; everyone has a separate number.

Mr. Ball.

What we would like to do is mark a photostat of the, transfer as 381A and substitute the photostat and we can return the transfer to the custody of the FBI.

Representative Ford.

The exhibit will be admitted.
(The photostat referred to was marked Commission Exhibit 381A and received in evidence.)

Representative Ford.

How many of those transfers did you issue on this particular run?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well--

Representative Ford.

Up to the time you passed the Texas School Depository.

Mr. Mcwatters.

I really don't know because I didn't, see, I didn't know anything--I didn't put out any--most of the transfers that you put out at this time or that time of day are for elderly women which get the shopper's transfers, in other words. It has got a line there, and it entitles them to a free ride back to where they came from in other words, and that time of the morning, because when I get downtown, in other words, you can catch a bus at Elm Street going to any place that I would go

without having a transfer, in other words.

Representative Ford.

Would you have any recollection of how many passengers you picked up from the beginning of the line to the time that this man got on at the middle of the block on Elm Street?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I don't--I recall that I didn't have very many passengers that day, because I figured that everybody had done gone to town to see the parade, to see the President, and it just wasn't what few passengers I recall was mostly elderly women that was going into town.
I don't recall just how many of them I did have on the bus.

Representative Ford.

But you did have these two men, the teenager and this other young man?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; that were on the bus.

Representative Ford.

And you very specifically recall giving a transfer to this woman with the suitcase and the man who was in the second seat on the right-hand side?

Mr. Mcwatters.

On the right side that got off. In other words, to the best of my knowledge that is the only two transfers that I put out going through town that I can recall at all, I mean, because I don't recall putting out any more transfers than those two that I put out when I was held up there in traffic.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. McWatters, on this transfer is the name of Shopper's Transfer. Does that have any significance?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; that is what I was telling him. In other words, if they want a Shoppers; well I put my punch mark in that Shoppers there, which they cannot use it for a transfer, in other words, any more than other than--all the stores, most of them in downtown Dallas, if you buy as much as a dollar's worth between the period of ten and four in the afternoon they give you a little white slip which entitled you to ride what is called the Shopper's Pass. It rides you back, but in other words you have to, a passenger has to, ask for it in other words.
When they say a Shopper, you take a punch and punch your punch mark where it says Shoppers, but they are not supposed to use the transfer then to transfer to another bus. They are supposed, in other words, where it is punched in the store, get it exchanged for their return fare.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, all your transfers have on them printed the word "Shopper's Transfer"?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; they do.

Mr. Ball.

And in order to make it a Shopper's Transfer so that the transfer can be exchanged for a merchandise coupon to ride home, it has to have your punch in the Shopper's Transfer area, is that right?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is correct, yes, sir.