Mr. Mcwatters.

they was, they run them until--see how 12:45 there, in other words, that is what they use that up to a.m. in other words.

Mr. Ball.

It is 12:45 a.m., it runs up to a.m.

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is what they run it to a.m. In other words, after 12:45 or in there, in other words, everything is punched p.m.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, everything in the hour from 12 on is punched a.m., the day time, 12 to one is a.m., 12 to 12:45, for that hour, a transfer good in that hour is punched a.m., is that right?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, it can be punched a.m. up to, just like 12:45.

Mr. Ball.

And the next punch is 1 o'clock and that is p.m?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is p.m.; yes, sir. That is the way they have them.

Representative Ford.

The day that you punched this particular transfer. November 22?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Representative Ford.

You punched them the same that day as you did every other day?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right. Every day, in other words, I just punch them p.m. I punch them p.m., and in other words, so it will be just a straight cut across it.

Representative Ford.

Is that the usual practice for all bus drivers to use this practice?

Mr. McWATTERS. The practice they are supposed to cut them within the quarter of the hour, but in other words, I just have been working that run and I just, it is p.m., and I just make one trip one way and one, back the other, and so I--all I carry are two books of transfers and so I just punch two books p.m., using one going one way at 1 o'clock and the other coming back at 2.

Representative Ford.

This is the practice you have used for 2 years approximately?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right, when I worked that run, in other words, when I am going one way at 1 o'clock, coming back from the other end of the line I set them at 2. I am back in there at, my next trip I am back in there at Lamar Street, I think it is 1:38 but I always just set them at 2 o'clock.

Mr. Ball.

We have a couple of more pictures here. 378 and 379 which are pictures of the interior of the bus--Nos. 379 and 380. (Picture marked for identification as Commission Exhibit No. 374 is the same as Commission Exhibit No. 379.)
I will first show you 379. Is that a picture of the bus from front to rear of your bus?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; that is the front and that is the rear.

Mr. Ball.

Here is 380, is that a picture of the bus taken from the front taken looking towards the rear?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

I offer these in evidence, too.

Representative Ford.

So admitted.
(The pictures referred to were marked Commission's Exhibits Nos. 379 and 380 and received in evidence.)

Mr. Ball.

I have here an exhibit which I would like to have marked as 381 which can be identified as a transfer issued by Dallas Transit Company, Friday, November 22, 1963.
Do you identify it, can you tell me, if you have ever seen that transfer before?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, that is my punch mark right on that there; p.m.
(The transfer was marked Commission Exhibit No. 381 for identification.)

Mr. Ball.

You issued it, did you?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me when you issued it, on what run?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I issued it on Marsalis and Munger line at I would say, around to the best of my knowledge it would be around 12:40 or somewheres in that vicinity on November 22.

Mr. Ball.

And it has your punch mark, has it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; that is my punch mark.

Mr. Ball.

Identify it punched in the p.m. section?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Of the Lakewood column here on the transfer.