Mr. Mcwatters.

Opera. The name of the bus is Ramona, it is the same, in other words, it is the same line as this other one.

Mr. Ball.

As I understand it now the bus that goes down Ewing comes off the Houston Street viaduct as far as, comes down he Houston Street viaduct as far as Marsalis, does it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; and it goes south on Marsalis.

Mr. Ball.

It goes south on Marsalis?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right.

Mr. Ball.

And it turns over to Ewing, that would be east on Ewing?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes; that would be east.

Mr. Ball.

At or about what point?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, in other words, that is the Marsalis Zoo is where it is, after you cross the expressway there, it is the first street, Opera is the name of that and it goes right down to Ewing.

Mr. Ball.

Then at the corner of 11th, at the intersection of 11th and Marsalis both buses travel the same route?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; they sure do. Both buses travel the same route to Marsalis and the Ramona bus on that part travel the same route.

Mr. Ball.

Probably on the same route.
Now, I show you this document which is the bus schedule of Marsalis-Ramona-Elwood- Munger, and it shows you leave St. Paul at 12:36 and you arrive at Lamar 12:40.
The bus transfers are punched you told me for 1 o'clock. We have a transfer here that you have seen or we will show you in a few minutes as soon as it gets here, which has a punch mark of 1 o'clock. You told Senator Cooper that you usually punched within 15 minutes of the time you reached the transfer points?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

If that is the case, what--

Mr. Mcwatters.

You mean why did I have it punched at 1 o'clock?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Mcwatters.

Because I punch it p.m. In other words, I have a punch, I am going to Lakewood, I mean I am going Marsalis and I am going back Lakewood, so I just take me two books of transfers. Instead of punching one of them a.m. and one p.m. I just punched them p.m.

Mr. Ball.

Do you punch within 15 minutes of the time you reach the transfer points?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is the way that the transfers are supposed to be cut.

Mr. Ball.

Well, if you reach Lamar, if you were to reach Lamar at 12:40, what time, according to the rules should you punch it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I should have punched it at 12:45.

Mr. Ball.

At 12:45?

Mr. Mcwatters.

But I would have to punch one book a.m. and another one p.m., so I just punched both of them p.m.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, what you do is punch on the hour rather than the 45 and 15 minutes usually?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, your usual practice is not to punch on the 15-minute interval, is that right, but to punch on the hour?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, just like I say within the closest of the hour like that, in other words.

Mr. Ball.

Suppose today you were wanting to punch some transfers at the end of the line and you knew you were going to get to Lamar at 12:40. Would you punch--what would you punch it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I work that run all the time, I punch at 1 o'clock every day. As I say I worked it 2 years and as I say in order to keep from punching one of them a.m. and one p.m., for the difference in the hour there, I just punch them p.m.

Mr. Ball.

I don't quite understand that. Doesn't your p.m. start at after 12 o'clock?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, the way the transfers are there, did you notice how