Mr. Ball.

In other words, if he did make a record it would be by way of a reprimand to you?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

As you went on down Elm you left your post at St. Paul and Elm, did you hear any sirens?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you pick up any passengers?

Mr. Mcwatters.

I picked up within a period of from the time I picked up two or three passengers, I can't recall just exactly which stop. I have after I leave St. Paul Street, I have Ervay Street and Akard Street, and Field Street which would be three stops where I can't recall that, exactly where I discharged or picked up passengers, because I had the few passengers that I had which I came into town with.

Mr. Ball.

Well then, do you remember picking up a passenger at a place other than at a bus stop as you went down Elm?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.
As I left Field Street, I pulled out into the, in other words, the first lane of traffic and traffic was beginning to back up then; in other words, it was blocked further down the street, and after I pulled out in it for a short distance there I come to a complete stop, and when I did, someone come up and beat on the door of the bus, and that is about even with Griffin Street.
In other words, it is a street that dead ends into Elm Street which there is no bus stop at this street, because I stopped across Field Street in the middle of the intersection and it is just a short distance onto Griffin Street, and that is when someone, a man, came up and knocked on the door of the bus, and I opened the door of the bus and he got on.

Mr. Ball.

You were beyond Field and before you got to Griffin?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is right. It was along about even with Griffin Street before I was stopped in the traffic.

Mr. Ball.

And that is about seven or eight blocks from the Texas Book Depository Building, isn't it?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir. It would be seven, I would say that is seven, it would be about seven blocks.

Mr. Ball.

From there?

Mr. Mcwatters.

From there, yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did the man look like who knocked on your door and got on your bus?

Mr. McWATTERS. Well, I didn't pay any particular attention to him. He was to me just dressed in what I would call work clothes, just some type of little old jacket on, and I didn't pay any particular attention to the man when he got on-

Mr. Ball.

Paid his fare, did he?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; he just paid his fare and sat down on the second cross seat on the right.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember whether or not you gave him a transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Not when he got on; no, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't. Did you ever give him a transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir; I gave him one about two blocks from where he got on.

Mr. Ball.

Did he ask you for a transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember what he said to you when he asked you for the transfer?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, the reason I recall the incident, I had--there was a lady that when I stopped in this traffic, there was a lady who had a suitcase and she said, "I have got to make a 1 o'clock train at Union Station," and she said, "I don't believe from the looks of this traffic you are going to be held up."
She said, "Would you give me a transfer and I am going to walk on down," which is about from where I was at that time about 7 or 8 blocks to Union Station and she asked me if I would give her a transfer in case I did get through the traffic if I would pick her up on the way.
So, I said, "I sure will." So I gave her a transfer and opened the door and as she was going out the gentleman I had picked up about 2 blocks asked for a