Mr. Ball.

And you got to the intersection of what street and St. Paul when you were timed by your dispatcher?

Mr. Mcwatters.

That is Elm, Elm Street.

Mr. Ball.

Elm and St. Paul?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Elm and St. Paul.

Mr. Ball.

If you are ahead of time do you stop there until you are assigned a time to get in?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, sir; no sir; you don't--a man he has his watch and schedule. If you are ahead of your schedule he will come out and stop you, in other words, and ask you if your watch is right or what is it, you know, the idea of you being there. There is no excuse, you know for a man being ahead of his schedule.

Mr. Ball.

If you are ahead of your schedule does he stop you there until you leave?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Yes, that is right.

Mr. Ball.

What time are you due, according to your schedule, to leave the corner of St. Paul and Elm?

Mr. Mcwatters.

12:36.

Mr. Ball.

What time did you leave there that day?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I left there that day on time because coming into town that day, I guess everybody done went to, down to, see the parade, I didn't have over four or five passengers coming into downtown.

Mr. Ball.

Were you ahead of your schedule?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I stopped about a block before now, just a block before we get to St. Paul, there is a big theater there, and it has all loading zones, no parking there and a lot of times if we are a minute or two ahead of our schedule when we pull in in front of this theater before we get there in time, in other words, we kill a minute.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do this day?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I was a little ahead of my schedule and I killed about a minute, I guess, before I went to cross St. Paul Street.

Mr. Ball.

After your dispatcher checked you in what time did you leave that corner of St. Paul and Elm?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, the best I can remember I don't recall even picking up a passenger there. I think I discharged one lady passenger there on that, to the best I can recall, because I remember that I had, when I crossed Field Street, I think I had five passengers on my bus.

Mr. Ball.

Well then, back to *the question, what time did you leave that day, leave Elm and St. Paul?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I would have to say I left there around, in other words, 12:36 because I know I was on good time when I come in there.

Mr. Ball.

And you think you left at the time you were supposed to leave?

Mr. Mcwatters.

Well, I am almost positive I did, because, as I say, we generally come in on schedules on good time because from that street on is where we generally--for the next seven or eight blocks--is where we get all of our passengers going through the downtown area.

Mr. Ball.

Had you heard any sirens before you got to St. Paul and Elm?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know if your dispatcher keeps a written record?

Mr. Mcwatters.

The only way he keeps a written record is if you are ahead of your schedule. He has a little pad, and if a man is ahead of his schedule, in other words, he writes, of course, we all go by badge numbers, in other words, he would write your badge number, your bus number, and if you was ahead of schedule he would write how much ahead of schedule you were,
and--

Mr. Ball.

Do you think he did anything, did he write anything up on you on that day?

Mr. Mcwatters.

No, sir; the guy that we have down there now, if you are ahead of schedule he will come out, in other words, because he stands on the corner all the time, and if you are a minute or two ahead of your schedule he will come out and if nothing else, converse with you for a minute or two to see that you leave it on time and very seldom, I mean, if ever--of course, a report goes in on you, it goes against your record.