Mr. Frazier.

letting my engine run and getting to charge up my battery, because when you stop and start you have to charge up your battery.

Mr. Ball.

Did you have your lunch beside you?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

Did you notice whether or not Lee had a package that looked like a lunch package that morning?

Mr. Frazier.

You know like I told you earlier, I say, he didn't take his lunch because I remember right when I got in the car I asked him where was his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day.

Mr. Ball.

He told you that that day, did he?

Mr. Frazier.

Right. That is right. So, I assumed he was going to buy it, you know, from that catering service man like a lot of the boys do. They don't bring their lunch but they go out and buy their lunch there.

Mr. Ball.

What did he do about the package in the back seat when he got out of the car?

Mr. Frazier.

Like I say, I was watching the gauges and watched the car for a few minutes before I cut it off.

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Frazier.

He got out of the car and he was wearing the jacket that has the big sleeves in them and he put the package that he had, you know, that he told me was curtain rods up under his arm, you know, and so he walked down behind the car and standing over there at the end of the cyclone fence waiting for me to get out of the car, and so quick as I cut the engine off and started out of the car, shut the door just as I was starting out just like getting out of the car, he started walking off and so I followed him in.
So, eventually there he kept getting a little further ahead of me and I noticed we had plenty of time to get there because it is not too far from the Depository and usually I walk around and watch them switching the trains because you have to watch where you are going if you have to cross the tracks.
One day you go across one track and maybe there would be some cars sitting there and there would be another diesel coming there, so you have to watch when you cross the tracks, I just walked along and I just like to watch them switch the cars, so eventually he kept getting a little further ahead of me and by that time we got down there pretty close to the Depository Building there, I say, he would be as much as, I would say, roughly 50 feet in front of me but I didn't try to catch up with him because I knew I had plenty of time so I just took my time walking up there.

Mr. Ball.

Did you usually walk up there together.

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; we did.

Mr. Ball.

Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; he did.

Mr. Ball.

You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You mean one end of it under the armpit?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. Ball.

And he had the lower part--

Mr. Frazier.

The other part with his right hand.

Mr. Ball.

Right hand?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

He carried it then parallel to his body?

Mr. Frazier.

Right, straight up and down.

Representative Ford.

Under his right arm?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. Ball.

Did it appear to you there was some, more than just paper he was carrying, some kind of a weight he was carrying?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, yes, sir; I say, because one reason I know that because