Mr. Frazier.

I worked in a department store before and I had uncrated curtain rods when they come in, and I know if you have seen when they come straight from the factory you know how they can bundle them up and put them in there pretty compact, so he told me it was curtain rods so I didn't think any more about the package whatsoever.

Mr. Ball.

Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. Ball.

I will show you this picture again, this map, which, is the Commission's Exhibit No. 361, and would you show us the way he walked, the course he walked from the place your car was parked up to the Texas School Book Depository. You come around here and here is a black pen. Show us the course that he walked.

Mr. Frazier.

Like I say, I had that car parked.

Mr. Ball.

Put an "X" there which will represent your car.

Mr. Frazier.

All right (indicating).

Mr. Ball.

That is where your car was parked?

Mr. Frazier.

I would say roughly like in there, you know like the picture shows right in there.

Mr. Ball.

Now, draw a line to show the way that he walked.

Mr. Frazier.

O.K.

Mr. Ball.

The direction he walked.

Mr. Frazier.

All right. Like I say, he was standing right about there when I got out of the car so naturally he started off walking so we just come on right on just like you would come across these tracks right here, and he was coming right on along the fence like that. Just coming right on, right here now is the School Book Depository, right, so he was coming right on down this fence there and he was coming across these tracks, and standing right in here somewhere at the door.

Mr. Ball.

Door?

Mr. Frazier.

Eight.

Mr. Ball.

At the end of that put a "XY", so "X" to "XY" will represent the course he walked. It shows "XY".

Mr. Frazier.

Eight.

Mr. Ball.

Then "X" to "XY" is the course he took, is that right?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go in the same door?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

You walked the same direction?

Mr. Frazier.

Eight.

Mr. Ball.

Now when he went in the door you were about 50 feet behind him?

Mr. Frazier.

Right. The last time I saw him I was right in this area coming across these railroad tracks and I just happened to glance up and see him going through the door there and shut the door.

Mr. Ball.

Let's see, the last time you saw him he was at the door?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Which is at "XY" and you were crossing the railroad, tracks on Pacific Avenue?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; I say this is Houston.

Mr. Ball.

Pacific runs east and west?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Put a mark there, put a "Z" there as to your location.

Mr. Frazier.

Right in there.

Mr. Ball.

That is about where you were, a "Z" when he entered the door at "XY"?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.