Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; he wasn't.

Mr. Ball.

Was he near the car?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; he wasn't.
You see, always I keep my car parked outside the carport there, on the other side.

Mr. Ball.

He was just a few feet outside your back door when you came out?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

Did you walk together to the car?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes; we did.

Mr. Ball.

And you got in one side and he got in the other?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes. Right in front there.

Mr. Ball.

Did you say usually you had to go by and pick him up?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I said I had a couple of times. Most of the time, you know, he was usually walking down the sidewalk as I was driving out of the driveway so, therefore, I didn't have to go up to the house there to pick him up. I just usually picked him up around the corner because he was usually on the sidewalk and I just stopped and picked him up.

Mr. Ball.

Were you later than usual that morning?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; I don't believe we were, because we got to work on time. I say, when I looked at the clock, after I glanced he was there a split second and I just turned around and looked at the clock to see what time it was and it was right amount 7:21 then and I went in and brushed my teeth real quick and running through the house put my coat on and we left.

Mr. Ball.

You both got in the car about the same time?

Mr. Frazier.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

All right.
When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?

Mr. Frazier.

Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. Ball.

What did the package look like?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long.

Mr. Ball.

It was, what part of the back seat was it in?

Mr. Frazier.

It was in his side over on his side in the far back.

Mr. Ball.

How much of that back seat, how much space did it take up?

Mr. Frazier.

I would say roughly around 2 feet of the seat.

Mr. Ball.

From the side of the seat over to the center, is that the way you would measure it?

Mr. Frazier.

If, if you were going to measure it that way from the end of the seat over toward the center, right. But I say like I said I just roughly estimate and that would be around two feet, give and take a few inches.

Mr. Ball.

How wide was the package?

Mr. Frazier.

Well, I would say the package was about that wide.

Mr. Ball.

How wide would you say that would be?

Mr. Frazier.

Oh, say, around 5 inches, something like that. 5, 6 inches or there. I don't--

Mr. Ball.

The paper, was the color of the paper, that you would get in a grocery store, is that it, a bag in a grocery store?

Mr. Frazier.

Right. You have seen, not a real light color but you know normally, the normal color about the same color, you have seen these kinds of