Mr. Hubert.

You mean he didn't owe her the obligation of advancing-her salary?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; that's what I mean, and then he said--again, disgusted, but like he didn't mind, that he just didn't want to talk. He said, "Let me talk to the guy there and I'll get him to give you $5 and I can give it back to him.,,

Mr. Hubert.

And you .took it to mean then that that was all he was going to let you have on the advanced salary, is that right ?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I don't know whether he said it to me or to her, but he said to call him tomorrow and he would send us some more I believe was the terms he used, or call him tomorrow he would send us some.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he explain why he wanted you to call him tomorrow or why he would be in a position to give you some on Sunday and not on Saturday?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; he said he was busy and didn't have time to come down there to give it to us then. He said he had company.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you did ask for more money on Saturday night than the $5?

Mr. Carlin.

I asked for no specific amount. Karen may have the first time she talked to him or at that time before I started talking to him, but I asked for no specific amount.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you give any consideration to borrowing from your family or friends or other people rather than Ruby?

Mr. Carlin.

Well, yes ;I probably could have except for two things: First, I had no car to go somewhere to borrow it, and second, it was fairly late at night, and third, I was in Dallas where I could not get back to borrow money that late at night.

Mr. Hubert.

You say you made the call from the garage, but you had :previously been at the Colony Club, had you not?

Mr. Carlin.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Why didn't you make the call from the Colony Club ?

Mr. Carlin.

I remember now--the call was made from the Colony Club and
she said that he was very upset and rude to her and we went back down to see---it seems as though Andy was in here somewhere, at least he was supposed to be at the club or something--that's what he said. At least, Karen told me he said Andrew was supposed to be at the club. After upsetting her and hanging the phone up, we went down to see if the club was open and we knocked on the door and no one was there, and we went back to the parking lot again and called because it was downstairs and the Colony was upstairs and farther away, and much more noise.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any connection with an outfit called Banker's Drug Co. or Bankers' Drugs ?

Mr. Carlin.

Bankers' Drugs--not to my knowledge. You might tell me some more about them, if I did ?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you mentioned that when you were servicing these little motels, these setups in motels, that some of it was with drugs like aspirin and so forth ?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; definitely so. That's what we did.

Mr. Hubert.

Does that refresh your recollection or refresh your memory of that concerning any possible connection you had with Bankers' Drugs?

Mr. Carlin.

I realize that that would be the only way that I would have a connection with Bankers' Drugs.

Mr. Hubert.

Does it mean anything to you now?

Mr. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Southwestern Drugs?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; we've done business with Southwestern Drugs.

Mr. Hubert.

What is that--a wholesale house?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where is it located ?

Mr. Carlin.

There's one here in Fort Worth. There is a little drug company in Houston that we bought a number of things from because we ran short, but I don't know if it was at this particular time, or if this was the name of the company.