Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever have any dealings with selling any sort of other drugs of miscellaneous character to Jack Ruby ?

Mr. Carlin.

Again--the question, sir?

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any occasion to sell any kind of miscellaneous drugs of that sort to Jack Ruby?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I certainly did not, and I don't know if you are referring to this or not, but we handle nothing in the line of narcotics.

Mr. Hubert.

Oh, I'm not talking about that.

Mr. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

I'm talking about the line of business that you were in selling these sundry items?

Mr. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

I'm talking about aspirin and things like that?

Mr. Carlin.

No. I sold none to Ruby. I don't know if you might be referring to this particular time, but at some time or other someone said they needed something, they said that they were out of something and I got something out of the car and gave it to someone, and I don't know if at this particular time if it was Jack Ruby or somebody in the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that the Carousel?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't know--I just remember that Jerry said, "Why don't you get something out of the car and give it to he or she"---or something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

That was Jerry Bunker?

Mr. Carlin.

I think that's the time. Again, it could have been here in Fort Worth. I recall recall he did send me to the car to get something for somebody that was out of something. It might have been hair oil or something.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't know whether i.t was Ruby?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Tammi True stay with you'all all the time on Saturday night?

Mr. Carlin.

All the time we were in Dallas?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall whether she left for any reason or not.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he drive you back?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember whether she picked you up or you met her some place to drive back?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall, but I don't think so. I think we drove back right from the parking lot--from the garage.

Mr. Hubert.

And you came in from Fort Worth and went directly to the garage ?

Mr. Carlin.

To the best of my knowledge, I believe

Mr. Hubert.

Would that indicate to you that Tammi True was with you all during the time?

Mr. Carlin.

Unless she would have gotten up during the time we were in the Colony and maybe talked to someone or something of that nature, but to the best of my knowledge I saw her. periodically all night long and I didn't pay much attention to what she was doing.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Ralph Paul that night?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall whether I did or not--I don't think so.

Mr. Hubert.

You know him, don't you ?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes

Mr. Hubert.

Was Tammi True with you, did she see him, to your knowledge?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't know whether she did or not.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see Harry Olsen or Kathy Kay on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, November 22, 23 or

Mr. Carlin.

Kathy Kay sounds familiar, but Harry Olsen, I can't place.

Mr. Hubert.

Harry Olsen was formerly a member of the Dallas Police Department and he subsequently married Kathy Kay.

Mr. Carlin.

Kathy Kay then is the girl, the blonde-headed girl that worked at the Carousel?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes. Of course, you couldn't have seen her on Friday, I take it, from what you tell me ?