Mr. Carlin.

time I wasn't working for Cameron King, but he was my boss when I worked for Friendship Greetings.

Mr. Hubert.

Who is Cameron King?

Mr. Carlin.

He was the sales supervisor over this area for Friendship Greetings.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that a corporation?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes---from Kansas.

Mr. Hubert.

The record shows here that you called him on September. Do you recall that--that you called him at Farmers Branch, Tex. ?

Mr. Carlin.

I called Cameron?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall the times I called him--I don't recall that that time I called him, but I do know that many, many times I called him.

Mr. Hubert.

What were these conversations about?

Mr. Carlin.

To my knowledge, I guess that would be in regard to Friendship Greetings or maybe a check that they owed me or a phone bill that they had agreed to pay that they didn't ever pay.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you called him on September 27 twice at 2:45 p.m. and at 5:53 p.m.?

Mr. Carlin.

On September the 27th? What day was that in regard to that particular time? Maybe I can recall the reason for calling him.

Mr. Hubert.

This was on September the 27th and September the 27th was a Friday. That's September 27, 1963.

Mr. Carlin.

That 27th would have been after I made the trip; right?

Mr. Hubert.

After you made what trip ?

Mr. Carlin.

After the trip to New Orleans or before.

Mr. Hubert.

September the 27th would have been almost 2 months before the President was shot?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I don't recall why I would call him.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there anything that you can think of that would make you call him twice in one day ?

Mr. Carlin.

Well, a number of things--I can't recall particularly why, but if you will notice the records show that he had been called a number of times and the last few months two times a day. I worked for the man.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you working for him then ?

Mr. Carlin.

In September?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall--I believe so--I believe I was, but I'm not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you start with Bunker?

Mr. Carlin.

I've been working with Bunker for about 2 years.

Mr. Hubert.

So, you would be working with Cameron King and Bunker at the same time?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes. There were times---a month or 2 or 3 months that I didn't do anything with Bunker and there were times when he wanted a few more accounts and I could financially handle them and he would come to me and want me to go sell these acccounts and we would get behind in servicing, and he would come to me and we would go service them.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you make any money with it?

Mr. Carlin.

Very little with Cameron. He paid my expenses and that's about the most of it. At times he would give us various sundries that we needed and at times he would give me $5 or $10, but that was nothing to say I made any money. It was a promise deal that I would get a percent of the company for building it and a job.

Mr. Hubert.

What about a man named Johnny Ammons [spelling] A-m-m-o-n-s?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; I know him.

Mr. Hubert.

Who is he?

Mr. Carlin.

He owns a service station. The only reason I would be calling him would be trying to get a motor for a car that I owned at the time that the motor was out.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall speaking to him ?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; but I don't know exactly when.