Mr. Hubert.

I say--that means that you would have checked out from the Sugar Bowl Motel after the President's death, that is to say, during the afternoon or night of the 22d ?

Mr. Carlin.

Unless we did not check out and spent the night there.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes; in which case you would have checked out the following morning?

Mr. Carlin.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Which would have been Saturday ?

Mr. Carlin.

Right. The Sugar Bowl records will show that, because I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know a man named Pachey Nespica ?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I don't--not to my knowledge. Wait a minute Nespica

Mr. Hubert.

Nespica.

Mr. Carlin.

Is he with a greeting card company?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know. There is an indication that you spoke to him on November 6 and that he is in Cleveland, Ohio?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes--I don't know him, but I do know I tried to call him. We were still trying to get a franchise on greeting cards from him.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you obtain his number and name?

Mr. Carlin.

This--I don't remember either. It seems as though a salesman gave it to

Mr. Hubert.

When was that---about?

Mr. Carlin.

When did I call?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

When did I call ?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

I just know it was in the morning some time. I don't remember the date that I called. I also noticed that name on the receipt from the telephone company when I was giving it to the CPA.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did your conversation with him last?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall--just as quick as I could get off the phone, knowing what it cost.

Mr. Hubert.

And it was about these greeting cards and you wanted to be able to sell?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know him prior to that time?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I did not.

Mr. Hubert.

You say you had obtained his name and telephone number from someone?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes, I'm trying to think where. It seems as though a salesman gave it to me either in one of the stores or possibly the American Greeting Card salesman. I called him a number of times and he might have given it to me.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you call from, do you remember?

Mr. Carlin.

You mean--to Nespica?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

From my home.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that an enterprise that you had with Bunker or were you

alone in that?

Mr. Carlin.

Well, Bunker and I were trying to get it--well, I don't know whether I told him, but it seems as though I told him I was trying to get it. I know we had talked about it, but I don't know that he was in it.

Mr. Hubert.

You were working for him, he wasn't working for you, was he?

Mr. Carlin.

Well, you can say "working for him"--it was an agreement where
I helped him build his business and if I did he would give me a job.

Mr. Hubert.

Would he pay for these telephone ca11s?

Mr. Carlin.

No; he did not pay for those.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he supposed to have?

Mr. Carlin.

Well, there are some calls that were made on my phone that he was supposed to pay for, but this is not one of them.

Mr. Hubert.

What about Cameron King, can you tell us about him ?

Mr. Carlin.

He was my--oh--I worked for Friendship Greetings, and at that