Mr. Carlin.

I don't think I was in town the night before he was shot.

Mr. Hubert.

No; this would have been a long distance call?

Mr. Carlin.

No. While I was in Houston, I believe I called Karen--I don't know if it was this particular trip or not, but I did notice some receipts from the telephone company that I had that there was a call from Houston to Dallas charged to my phone. The reason I know this is so because I turned the receipts over to my CPA the other day and he was asking which calls were business and which ones were not and I had to mark them off.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, do you recall a call received by you at The Vagabond Motel in Houston at 4:38 on the morning of the 21st, and that would have been Thursday ?

Mr. Carlin.

I remember I was called that morning; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Who called you, do you remember ?

Mr. Carlin.

I believe Karen called me.

Mr. Hubert.

And do you remember a phone call at 7:30 that same night, that's the night prior to the shooting of the President? That's on Thursday night--that you called the Carousel Club and spoke for approximately 3 minutes to a person named Larry ?

Mr. Carlin.

No; definitely not.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not make any such call on the telephone the night before the President was killed?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't know if I made a call. If I did, it was not to Larry. Now, I called at various times and trips and I do not know whether it was this one this particular time, but I do remember calling and asking for Karen and having to wait a length of time for her to come to the phone, but as far as talking to anyone in conversation, I don't know even who answered the phone. I can't even say if it was that particular time that I called. I do know I have called and Andrew answered the phone, and he's the one I thought answered it, but I don't know exactly when it was that I called.

Mr. Hubert.

But you can be quite certain, I believe from what you have testified, that you did not visit the Carousel Club on the night the President was shot, that is, Friday night?

Mr. Carlin.

Not unless we drove back and got back in time to pick Karen up, but I don't think we did.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember going to pick her up?

Mr. Carlin.

I remember a number of times coming back from a trip and picking her up.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I mean then.

Mr. Carlin.

No; I do not remember picking her up that night.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember when you first talked to her about the President's death?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I don't recall the first time I mentioned it to her--probably as soon as I came home.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what time that was?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I don't. It would depend on what time we left from New Orleans. I could guess, if I knew what time I left New Orleans.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it your thought that you left New Orleans shortly after checking out of the Sugar Bowl ?

Mr. Carlin.

At times we would, but other times, to save money, we would
Check out and service one or two accounts and then leave.

Mr. Hubert.

But you don't know about this time?

Mr. Carlin.

I feel sure all of our accounts were serviced when we checked out, possibly they weren't.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say that you checked out prior to hearing of the President's death?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I think we were still in the motel at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you remember then that you went to the Sugar Bowl Motel

after looking at the television concerning the President's death ? Mr. CARLIN. I think so; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

So that meant you would have checked out of the Sugar Bowl Motel some time in the afternoon or night of Friday, November 22 ?

Mr. Carlin.

I misunderstood.