Mr. Carlin.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

The Tamanaca?

Mr. Carlin.

I know The Tamanaca is right in there but I don't recall if that's the one. It's a very large motel, very nice, and the restaurant sits right on the street.

Mr. Hubert.

Could it be Motel DeVille?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; I 'believe so--I believe that is it. At the time of hearing that the President was assassinated, I was in the manager's office and he was busy, and we left there and walked right around the corner to a private club, which the doors were open and the TV was on, and we sat and watched the news report.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall what you did after and how long you stayed there, and what you did after you left that place?

Mr. Carlin.

No; not exactly. We possibly could have left right after that for Fort Worth, or we might have spent the night and left the next morning. As far as saying specifically, I do not know. There have been times when I would come in from a trip and get to Dallas in time to pick Karen up, and there have been times I have come in at 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning--sometimes even daylight.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember how you traveled from Fort Worth to Dallas,

that is, the night of the 23d ?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you go? How did you go?

Mr. Carlin.

You mean--was I in a car?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

Tammi True brought us.

Mr. Hubert.

She brought you from Fort Worth to Dallas?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the purpose of coming in ?

Mr. Carlin.

Karen didn't know if she had to go to work or not, and I believe I'm not sure of this, but it seems as though Jack Ruby owed Tammi some money or something and she was going to change jobs and she wanted the money.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you go when you got there ?

Mr. Carlin.

We went to the club first and parked at the parking lot between the Colony and Carousel.

Mr. Hubert.

That's Nichols Garage, isn't it?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes. The door was locked, so we went to the Colony.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have anything to drink then ?

Mr. Carlin.

Did I have anything to drink?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall. I know that we were practically broke, just some change is all we had, so I don't know whether we had anything to drink or not.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't recall that at all ?

Mr. Carlin.

No. I know for sure that at least Karen drank a coke and possibly I did--I don't know if I had any alcohol at the time or not.

Mr. Hubert.

But whatever you did have, you paid for it ?

Mr. Carlin.

Again, I don't recall--Karen had some change in her pocket, in her purse.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, it would have been either you or Karen ?

Mr. Carlin.

I believe so---I'm not sure. At times we never paid for anything when we went in the club. He just gave us a drink.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know a man by the name of Larry Crafard?

Mr. Carlin.

Crafard?

Mr. Hubert.

Who worked at the Carousel ?

Mr. Carlin.

There was a man by the name of Larry--I don't know his last name.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion to call him on Friday night, the 22d, the night the President was shot?

Mr. Carlin.

The night the President was shot?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have occasion to talk to him on the night before the President was shot?

Mr. Hubert.

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