Mr. Carlin.

Definitely so. This is the only thing I know definitely--that I can definitely say.

Mr. Hubert.

Would it be possible that you drove back from New Orleans to Dallas on that day?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; it's definitely possible, but as far as knowing for sure whether I did or not, I cannot say.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you drive back from New Orleans to Fort Worth by day or by night?

Mr. Carlin.

I believe at night, but again, we've made many of these trips to the same places, stay in the same places, and calling on the same accounts.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, what I was trying to get at was whether or not you would remember this rather long trip from New Orleans to Dallas and on to Fort Worth, followed up by a trip with your wife back to Dallas on the night you borrowed the $5 and whether all that occurred on the same day, or do you recall what that day was ?

Mr. Carlin.

Well, I understand what you're getting at, but as far as saying whether it came on the same day, I can't recall. By the way, the account I was trying to think of in Houston is The Tidelands, if this means anything. I know that we were depressed as far as the President being killed and I remember making the statement I didn't feel much like working, but on the other hand, I don't recall whether we left just after finding out that the President was killed, and drove back then, or we might have started during the daytime and drove back in there early in the morning and then going to bed and getting up the next day and driving to Dallas. I'm saying I don't recall whether this was the way it was or not.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you otherwise remember what you did on Saturday the 23d, the day after the President was shot ?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I do not. I don't even remember where I was at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, we do know that you were in Fort Worth, at least in the evening?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Because you came back to Dallas with your wife?

Mr. Carlin.

Definitely so; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Does that refresh your memory as to whether you had been at home all day on Saturday?

Mr. Carlin.

I'm sorry--it doesn't I'm not evading anything, I just cannot remember the specific time of what I was doing. I know as far as the incident of going to Dallas and I know what I did when I went to New Orleans and Houston, but as far as the particular date that you're thinking of now--I can't recall what I did

Mr. Hubert.

Well, the records of the Sugar Bow1 -Motel would show the
night you were there, wouldn't it?

Mr. Carlin.

Definitely so.

Mr. Hubert.

And it would have been the next day that you drove back ?

Mr. Carlin.

I feel sure.

Mr. Hubert.

So-no, it was not necessarily the next day--you think it might have been the next day that you drove back to Dallas or Fort Worth?

Mr. Carlin.

Now, we have at times worked New Orleans first and come back through Houston. I don't think we did at this particular time, but again, we've made these trips a number of times, and both of us being very tired at all times and not even caring what time it was or where we were, we were trying to get the work done and get back.

Mr. Hubert.

But you were in New Orleans at the time you heard the news about the shooting of the President?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say you were at some particular place?

Mr. Carlin.

Yes; I was in a large motel.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the name of that one?

Mr. Carlin.

It was on the same highway that the Hilton Inn is on but downtown, down near town. It was right on the--it's near the Thujnderbird Motel, but it's not the Thunderbird Motel.

Mr. Hubert.

The Tamanaca?