Mr. Carlin.

We drove back. I think we came through East Texas--we drove around--no, we couldn't have gone through East Texas, could we?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, did you stop any place outside of New Orleans?

Mr. Carlin.

Other than to eat, I don't believe so.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what time you got to Dallas?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't think we came to Dallas, or did we I really don't know. Oh, wait a minute---it seems that we came to Dallas to pick Mitzi up.

Mr. Hubert.

To pick who up?

Mr. Carlin.

Karen--I'm sorry.

Mr. Hubert.

That would have been a Saturday night then?

Mr. Carlin.

Well.

Mr. Hubert.

It was the day after the President was shot?

Mr. Carlin.

We have taken so many trips and they were all so wild--I had no idea we would have to remember dates, time, or places.

Mr. Hubert.

But it was the day after the President was shot that you got back to Dallas or Fort Worth ?

Mr. Carlin.

I believe so.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember about what time it was?

Mr. Carlin.

No; I do not. I can't even remember the circumstances under which we came back on--why we came back quickly except that we always make every trip in a hurry.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you recall that it was on Saturday the 23d of November, that you came to Dallas from Fort Worth with your wife, Karen?

Mr. Carlin.

I don't recall the date or which circumstances or what reason that I come to Dallas. Now, can you tell me what you're talking about specifically ?

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall that there was a question as to whether or not your wife Karen would be working at the Carousel that night?

Mr. Carlin.

I do recall it, but I do not know the date. I know one night we went over to see if she was going to work; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And I think from your previous deposition you fixed the time of that?

Mr. Carlin.

Over quite a bit of thinking, but as far as positively--as I told Mr. Conkle we cannot remember dates or times, especially this far back. We had no idea we would have to remember them.

Mr. Hubert.

But that was the same night you came back or arrived back in Fort Worth from this trip to New Orleans---from New Orleans?

Mr. Carlin.

The night we went to see if she was going to work after Kennedy was killed?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Carlin.

No; I don't think so---let me see---no; I don't believe it was.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, now you remember that Ruby shot Oswald on Sunday the 24th?

Mr. Carlin.

I know I was home on that day.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Now, the night before that, you and your wife had come to Dallas and you had called Ruby and as a matter of fact, made an arrangement to borrow $5 from him?

Mr. Carlin.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, was it on that day that you had driven from New Orleans to Fort Worth ?

Mr. Carlin.

It seems as though it would be, but I cannot say definitely whether it was or not. I really don't remember whether that was the day.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, do you remember that you left Fort Worth to come to Dallas only a short time after having arrived back from this trip?

Mr. Carlin.

As far as my trip to Houston and New Orleans and back in relation with Ruby and the time he killed Oswald, had anyone not said something to remind me of the two, I would never put them anywhere near each other, but I guess after talking to you--I guess they were near to each other, but I cannot say the exact times that I left and what times I was in and at what time or the exact time I came back. I do know it was very near there.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, first of all, let's fix it this way--that you were definitely in New Orleans the day the President was shot ?