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Warren Commission Hearings: Vol. XV - Page 582« Previous | Next »

(Testimony of Richard L. Saunders)

Mr. Hubert.
It's too broad--all you mean to say is that you would extend him credit on the terms yon just described?
Mr. Saunders.
Right---on a personal basis.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, I notice in apparently the 9th or 10th lines you have a question.
Mr. Saunders.
"Ruby never carried a gun on his person except on occasions when Ruby would be carrying money."
I have never seen Jack or known of him to be carrying a gun on his person, but as stated further on, I have seen him counting money in his club and place that money into a paper sack and at the time place a gun that was in or on the desk, into that paper sack and walk out with it, but never to be carrying a gun on his person, in such a manner as to be concealed within a coat or pocket.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, your comment is that you don't know whether he ever carried a gun, except as you have Just described ?
Mr. Saunders.
Yes; as I have just described it, that's correct.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, the second paragraph--you have a little question mark there--"Ruby was known as being a woman chaser" what about that?
Mr. Saunders.
"And to be particularly interested in the strippers that worked for him."
Jack had related to me on occasion from time to time about that he might have dates with .this stripper or that stripper, but not necessarily more so than any other girl that he might come in contact with. The point of being particularly interested in his strippers is somewhat misleading.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, you think that the word "particularly" doesn't represent the thought that you meant to convey in the interview ?
Mr. Saunders.
Right--that's correct.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, the next paragraph--there is a little question mark on the left-hand margin and I ask you what you have in mind there?
Mr. Saunders.
Well, this was just conjecture on my part, just as any other person following the various news medias that Jack Ruby had previously to the shooting of Oswald been down to the Western Union office and wired money to a girl in Houston, I believe it was, and then it was reported that he had a large sum of money on his person at the time of the shooting of Oswald. My conjecture was he might have had a gun with him for those reasons, strictly from past experiences where I knew he had a gun about his person or in a paper sack when he had extra large sums of money with him.
Mr. Hubert.
In other words, it's conjecture on your part?
Mr. Saunders.
Right.
Mr. Hubert.
And I think the way the statement reads it indicates it is conjecture?
Mr. Saunders.
Well, that's fine, but I did want that brought out that it is not a positive Statement.
Mr. Hubert.
It's not based on any facts you know about, but it's your estimate

of the situation from what you knew of him and of his operations?
Mr. Saunders.
Right.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, I see your question mark as to the last paragraph too ?
Mr. Saunders.
Oh, this is just my question here in regards to his telling me he had an injunction against another club advertising amateur nights of strippers. His point which he was attempting to show me one day--the injunction, which at the moment I was busy and didn't have time to wait for him and excused myself--I did not see an injunction and this was just his word, and it was just the fact that these amateur nights as such--my understanding of the law reads--you can't work as an entertainer unless you are licensed to do so.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, all the statement says is that some time before Ruby had told you that, and is it true, that he did tell you that?
Mr. Saunders.
Right "* * * only a short time before the assassination." Now, this was misleading--it was several days before. It wasn't in terms of minutes.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, I see no other questions, so I take it that otherwise this statement represents a fair and correct report of the interview with you, as amended and as clarified, or is there anything else?
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