Mr. Hubert.

Could it be possible that Ruby left as early as, say 1 o'clock or 1:157

Mr. Newnam.

I wouldn't think so--I wouldn't think so.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, we'll get at it at still another way: You first came in of course at 12:40?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Which is a rather definite point--now, when Jack paid you the money, which was the last time you saw him--is another point--how much time do you think there would be between those two points, to w. it, 12:40 and the time he paid you the money?

Mr. Newnam.

I'm--approximately about 50 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

That would mean he left approximately at 1:30?

Mr. Newnam.

Around that; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you been told by him--had he told you then that he was canceling his ad?

Mr. Newnam.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

He didn't tell you that at all, then, did he?

Mr. Newnam.

No, sir; I don't recall that he told me he was canceling it. I believe it was discussed. He had mentioned something about he might, but he didn't cancel the ad; it was changed.

Mr. Hubert.

Changed really to state he was going to be closed ?

Mr. Newnam.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

Does that refresh your memory as to whether he would close the club unless he knew the President was dead ?

Mr. Newnam.

I think the action that he observed of what was going on with other people, motivated Jack to close his club.

Mr. Hubert.

Or to make the announcement?

Mr. Newnam.

Right, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

He did say he was going to close his club before he left?

Mr. Newnam.

I don't know that he specifically said that--I don't recall it--he might have.

Mr. Hubert.

At the time that he spoke to his sister and you also listened to her, had the announcement of the President's death been made yet?

Mr. Newnam.

I don't believe it had. We knew that the shooting had happened. We knew that he had been shot. I don't believe that we knew specifically that he was dead. I don't recall the exact time that we learned this information.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Ruby talk to you about the Weissman ad--you're familiar with that ad?

Mr. Newnam.

Oh, yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall any conversation with Ruby about that--what he said to you, or did he say anything?

Mr. Newnam.

I recall there was some brief conversation about it relative to the fact that he didn't particularly think it was in good taste or something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

When did that conversation take place, do you recall ? Was it on November 22? Or, could it have .been earlier?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes, sir; it had to be the 22d--no one knew about it before then. It must have been right after I came to the office and I was standing at Mr. Bates' desk.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he remonstrating with you or what was his general attitude about it?

Mr. Newnam.

I think he just was discussing it.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he complaining that the paper had taken the ad?

Mr. Newnam.

I don't recall that he particularly complained about it. He was concerned about the nature of the ad.

Mr. Hubert.

How did he express his concern?

Mr. Newnam.

Oh, he was--of course, he had read the ad the night before. It had come out on the street in the early edition, but he was specifically--as to what he said by words, I don't recall, It's Just a matter that he was commenting on it. I remember that. All the time I was doing some work trying to get some of the stuff out of the way.