Mr. Hubert.

That was prior to the announcement of the shooting at all?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you don't remember the exact words, but whatever they were, he addressed himself to the Weissman ad and your recollection is that whatever he said, showed some concern, as you put it?

Mr. Newnam.

Some concern---yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it a concern favorable to the content or impact of the Weissman ad or the converse?

Mr. Newnam.

I would say the converse.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, he was opposed to the Weissman ad?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And that concern was as to "Why should such an adv. appear to be taken by the newspapers"?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes; this would be the general concern.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I think you have said that you are quite certain that the news of the Tippit shooting was known to you and to Jack prior to Jack's leaving the office?

Mr. Newnam.

There was knowledge that--whether the man's name was known---but it was known that an officer had been shot. -

Mr. Hubert.

And you think Jack knew that prior to leaving?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes; I think so.

Mr. Hubert.

Is there anything that fixes that in your mind

Mr. Newnam.

No; except the fact that I think he heard it and other people who were there at the time probably heard it at the same time.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, your thought is that his time of departure, which was contemporaneous. with the payment of some money over to you was at approximately 1:30?

Mr. Newnam.

Approximately; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And it could have been before the announcement of the President's death, or after?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes; because I don't recall exactly what time that announcement came over.

Mr. Hubert.

He did mention to you that he was going to close his clubs ?

Mr. Newnam.

I think he was--it had been discussed. He didn't say specifically that he was I don't recall that he did.

Mr. Hubert.

But he was considering it in any case?

Mr. Newnam.

I'm sure he was.

Mr. Hubert.

And whatever he said to you indicated that he was considering closing the club ?

Mr. Newnam.

Yes, sir; but he didn't tell me at the time, or we could have gone ahead and made the changes then.

Mr. Hubert.

But the changes were in fact not made by you?

Mr. Newnam.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you give us an estimate of what period of time which elapsed between 12:40, when you first came in, and the telephone conversation by Ruby with his sister?

Mr. Newnam.

It would be be just a guess--15 minutes--20 minutes-- perhaps.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you put it the other way--how long before he left was this call between Ruby and his sister?

Mr. Newnam.

I would approximate that this call must have been made around I o'clock. Now, to nail it down exactly how I approximate that---I'm just not real sure.

Mr. Hubert.

There's no record kept of a call of that sort, is there?

Mr. Newnam.

No, sir; it was after--of course, it was after the 12 noon deadline, which our deadline is for either getting ads in the paper or taking them out. This is normal procedure, however, since what happened--naturally we disregarded deadlines and were trying to take care of the needs of those ad-vertisers--whatever they would like to do.

Mr. Hubert.

In your Judgment, it was about 15 or 20 minutes after you came

in, which was at 12:407

Mr. Newnam.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

This was the time of the phone call?