Mr. Hodge.

Mr. Baker and they both promised to get the names of those two detectives that took me 'downstairs on that elevator and get them to verify the fact that

Mr. Hubert.

That Ruby was there?

Mr. Hodge.

Yes; that Jack Ruby was there, and that he said those words, and I didn't recognize Jack Ruby on that elevator until the next day out at Mr. Jackson's and when they said Jack Ruby had shot Oswald.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you say that you did say to the FBI people when they interviewed you on the 24th that you had gone down on the elevator with two detectives and with Ruby? You told them that, although it doesn't appear in this exhibit ?

Mr. Hodge.

Now, which is the 24th ?

Mr. Hubert.

The 24th is Sunday.

Mr. Hodge.

Yes; I told them that Sunday afternoon.

Mr. Hubert.

You told them Sunday afternoon that you had gone down the

elevator in the company of two detectives and Jack Ruby?

Mr. Hodge.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you told that to anyone else since?

Mr. Hodge.

Oh, I've told it to several people the detectives, Captain Fritz, and all of them, they knew that. -

Mr. Hubert.

Have you heard from Captain Fritz about who those two men were ?

Mr. Hodge.

No; he hasn't called me. He had Baker to call me and Baker told me, he said, "Mr. Hedge, now"-

Mr. Hubert.

That's today--Baker called today ?

Mr. Hodge.

Yes; Baker called this morning. He said, "I'm the one that took you from Captain Fritz' office up to the fourth floor and showed you the gun," and he said, "I'll find out who the two boys was that escorted you back down to the basement to move your car."

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever tell Captain Fritz that you had gone down the elevator with Ruby and two detectives ?

Mr. Hodge.

I told him that day before yesterday.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I mean prior to that time?

Mr. Hodge.

No; I don't think I had. No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

But you had told the FBI people?

Mr. Hodge.

I sure did. I told them the whole story. I said--I guess this is the same is this the two that questioned me about the telephone call?

Mr. Hubert.

I don't know, sir. This is the interview by Agents Anderton and Hardin.

Mr. Hodge.

I used to know practically all those agents down there the FBI agents--when Murphy was there and the agent in charge before him, and I used to keep their file in my place.

Mr. Hubert.

These are the agents who interviewed you on Sunday, not on Friday or Saturday?

Mr. Hodge.

Yes; you see, that was Sunday afternoon after I found out--it dawned on me who Jack was--and it was about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, I'd say, when they came in the gunshop.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you ever interviewed thereafter, after Jack Ruby shot

Oswald, by the Dallas police?

Mr. Hodge.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

The only other interview you had was with the FBI?

Mr. Hodge.

That's right, but I told all those detectives with homicide, the different ones that have been in my place, and .I repeated just what I've told you, that it was Jack Ruby that rode down on the elevator and asked me those questions.

Mr. Hubert.

And that there were two Dallas Police Department detectives

with you and him, Ruby, on the elevator at the time

Mr. Hodge.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

You have told that to others

Mr. Hodge.

To numerous others.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you mention any names ?

Mr. Hodge.

No.