(Testimony of Alfred Douglas Hodge)
Mr. Hodge.
back--in the back of the elevator and it didn't dawn on me who he was until the next day when I was out at Red Jackson's.
Mr. Hubert.
You mean was the 24th?
Mr. I HODGE. Yes; on Sunday. Yes--on Sunday. the following Sunday when Ruby is supposed to have shot Oswald, when this Congressman called and asked Mr. Jackson and said that Jack Ruby shot him. I said, "My God, that's who rode the elevator down with me. I knew I knowed him but I didn't recognize him" and I said. "I didn't recognize him until now."
Mr. Hubert.
All right--a couple more questions--
Mr. Hodge.
Pardon me--that same Sunday that this had happened, that afternoon I had some friends from Waco come up and they were gun collectors and they had an auction out here and after I left Mr. Jackson I went by the auction and went back to the gunshop and they went with me and we were in the gunshop and there was two more FBI agents came in and we walked back to the back and they showed me a picture of a striptease girl that had worked for Jack Ruby and wanted to know if I knew her and if I knew her whereabouts and I had never seen the girl before, because I don't visit those places, and I had never been in one of Jack Ruby's places, because I've got my hands full tending to my own business. and also, they wanted to know if I ever seen Jack Ruby and Oswald together, and I'd never seen Jack Ruby for 4 years or longer.
Mr. Hubert.
Now, returning to your statement, which has been identified as Exhibit No. 1, it appears that the third paragraph of that statement is completely at variance with what you have just testified to. That is to say, that paragraph indicates that he asked you "whether they had arrested you," whereas your testimony is that you in a semiserious manner indicated to him that you were under arrest and he asked you whether you weren't kidding and then turned to the police
Mr. Hodge.
No; he didn't say, "Are you kidding." Yes; he did--he said, "You're kidding," but I said it low, I didn't want to go into detail why I was up there and it wasn't none of his business and I knew I knew him but I didn't know just who he was at the moment, and I just--I don't know why you would say those things, but I did.
Mr. Hubert.
Well, in any case..the point I'm trying to make is that this third paragraph is deficient in two ways: One is that it has him asking you whether you were under arrest, whereas, you, in fact, told him in the manner you have described, that you were under arrest, and then he asked you whether you were kidding or not, and you told him "No," and he asked you what you had to do with it, and you said, "It's a long, long story" and all of which is not in this paragraph, nor is there in this paragraph the portion about his turning to the police and asking them if it was true and their laughing about it. That's not in here either?
Mr. Hodge.
Well, I told those agents just like I've told you.
Mr. Hubert.
Yes; I understand that, but in any ease all I'm trying to do is to reconcile Exhibit No. 1 with your testimony, and in order to do so I have to bring out that this third paragraph of Exhibit No. 1 and as it is here is incorrect and incomplete both; is that correct?
Mr. Hodge.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
And that the statement you have given us here is what is the truth and is what you say you did tell the FBI agents?
Mr. Hodge.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert.
All right. Prior to the beginning of your testimony, you had conversed with me a bit along the lines that I have questioned you about, and is it not a fact that all of the matter that we talked about prior to the beginning of this deposition has now been brought out in the course of the deposition? To put it another way, that we have not--that we did not discuss prior to the taking of this deposition anything which has not been covered in the deposition?
Mr. Hodge.
I believe that's right.
Mr. Hubert.
Because if you can think of anything that we talked about that has not been put down in the record, I want to get it in. I can't think of anything, but I'm asking you?
Mr. Hodge.
Well, now, yesterday and today I called Captain Fritz and also
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