Mr. Bellocchio.

He didn't say so but he inferred this.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I take it from what you tell me that you were more excited about the ad and about the assassination than he was?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Well, I was excited--I was.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, he was calming you down, I believe you said?

Mr. Beocchio.

He was in a sense trying to pacify me.

Mr. Hubert.

At least to the extent that when you were inclined to blame Dallas, he defended Dallas, is that right?

Mr. Bellocchio.

That's correct, but by the same token, he turned around and produced a Polaroid film of a sign, a photograph, that said "Impeach Earl Warren."

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you how he obtained those pictures?

Mr. Bellocchio.

I don't believe so, or, he said that he had taken them with a camera.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his statement concerning those Polaroid pictures?

Mr. Bellocchio.

This upset him greatly, and at this point he seemed to be verifying my supposition that Dallas was responsible. As I said, he seemed to be taking two sides--he wasn't coherent.

Mr. Hubert.

He seemed to be vacillating between the two?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Between the two, and this is how Tom Apple got into the discussion.

Mr. Hubert.

All this had occurred prior to Tom Apple's getting into it?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How did Tom Apple get into it? Did you all go to him or did he come to you?

Mr. Bellocchio.

No; when I saw the pictures "Impeach Earl Warren," this again supported my argument that Dallas in a sense was responsible.

Mr. Hubert.

So what did you do?

Mr. Bellocchio.

I asked Ruby if I could have one of the pictures. He said, "No." I said, "Well, would you come over and show them to a friend of mine?" and we went over and showed Tom Apple the photographs.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you introduce Ruby to Apple and vice versa, or did they know each other?

Mr. Bellocchio.

They didn't know each other and I don't believe I introduced them formally.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it your impression that they did not know each other then, is that right?

Mr. Bellocchio.

That's correct.

Mr. Hubert.

What is this part about Ruby's making some comment about having a squabble with respect to the taking of that picture?

Mr. Bellocchio.

I asked him a number of times if I could have one of the photographs.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you want them for?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Again, this was verifying my position that Dallas was responsible, in a city that would allow signs like this to be exhibited.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you wanted to use it later on in your arguments or discussions with friends as to your position?

Mr. Bellocchio.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say he would not let you have them?

Mr. Bellocchio.

He would not let me have them.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he state why?

Mr. Bellocchio.

I believe he said he had some sort of a scoop and wanted to see that the right persons would get the photographs. I'm not at all sure, but I believe he said that.

Mr. Hubert.

Was he worried about his own business or seem to be or indicate that he was?

Mr. Bellocchio.

No; he didn't mention his own business.

Mr. Hubert.

How long was the conversation between you, Apple, and Ruby?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Perhaps 3 minutes, 4 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how did the whole matter end? That is to say, you discussed the matter with Apple and you asked him again for the picture and he told you or indicated something about wanting a scoop or thinking he had a