Mr. Bellocchio.

I could have been there myself at 2 o'clock. As I said, it was a day in which everybody was very upset.

Mr. Hubert.

Did this friend indicate to you that he saw Ruby there?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

He saw Ruby there at 4?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, how long was Ruby there altogether?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Approximately 15 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

And he was not there twice, that is to say, to your knowledge while you were there, he was there once?

Mr. Bellocchio.

To my knowledge he was only there once.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was for 15 minutes?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Fifteen or twenty minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

And therefore, if the man who is in the door business whose name you don't remember at the moment, if he says he saw you talking to Ruby, that it had to be 4 o'clock because he couldn't have been there before 4 o'clock, then you are willing to amend your statement to show that it was 4 rather than 2?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, I will introduce that statement. I have handed to you previously so that you might read it, a document which purports to be an interview of you by FBI Agent James S. Weir on December 5, 1963, which for the purpose of identification I have marked as follows: "Dallas, Texas, June 27, 1964, Exhibit No. 1, Deposition of Frank Bellocchio," and have signed my name Leon D. Hubert, Jr. which I have marked in the right-hand margin of the first page, the document consisting of two pages, and on the second page I have placed my initials on the lower right-hand corner.
Now, you have read this document, I think, and I ask if, except for the element of time, this document is correct, and does it correctly reflect the interview you had with the FBI agent?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Yes; it does.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, in the third paragraph it does state that the time was between 1 and 2 o'clock and you have in the last few minutes explained why you believe it was no that time, but rather 4 o'clock, right?

Mr. Bellocchio.

That's correct.
Mr, HUBERT. How long did you say you talked with Jack?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Ten, fifteen, or twenty minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was all of that conversation in the presence of Mr. Apple?

Mr. Bellocchio.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Was any of it in the presence of Mr. Apple?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Yes, some of it; some of it was in the presence of Mr. Apple.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you describe then how it was that Mr. Apple was present during some of the conversation but not during other parts of it? In other words, how did you become separated?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Tom Apple and myself--how did we become separated?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes--from Ruby? In other words, Ruby came in after you were in there, is that correct?

Mr. Bellocchio.

I don't know whether Ruby was in there when I came in or whether he came in afterwards. I didn't see him enter or leave. He was there.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he come up to you and talk or did you go to him?

Mr. Bellocchio.

I believe I walked towards the rear of Sol's Turf Bar and Ruby said "Hello" to me.

Mr. Hubert.

And then did you engage him in a conversation?

Mr. Bellocchio.

There was considerable confusion. I don't remember whether I engaged him or he engaged me.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Apple present when wou first saw him?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Apple was sitting at the bar. When I first saw Ruby--Apple was not with me, and to my knowledge Apple had never met and did not know Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

So you spoke to Ruby alone, then, about how many minutes?

Mr. Bellocchio.

Oh, perhaps, 5, 8 or 10 minutes. There were other people around though.