Mr. Rubenstein.

I was the only politician but we were all Democrats for me.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack get involved in politics at all in Chicago?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever discuss politics with him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I never even knew the incidents about the chair with Roosevelt until this manager of the Zebra, the manager of the Zebra Cafe on 63d Street, I have got to get you his name--

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Told me about it. I never heard of it because he doesn't talk about those things.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you think of anything else that you want to bring to the attention of the Commission?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Jack was a loyal 1,000 percent American, served in the Army for 3 years with the best record of our family, of all the boys who were in the service, and by the way, when my father went down with Jack and Earl and Sammy to enlist in the service, my father says to the recruiting officer, "Take me" and he must have been at least 65 years old.

Mr. Griffin.

Jack didn't go into the service until some time in 1943?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Right After I came out he went in.

Mr. Griffin.

And Jack applied for deferment initially, didn't he?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; because he was the only one home. We were all in. My mother was alone. Earl was in, Earl was in the Seabees, Sammy was in the Air Corps and I was in the Field Artillery.

Mr. Griffin.

There has been a rumor that Jack feigned a hearing disability in order to avoid military service?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Not Jack. No: not Jack. No; he was a good soldier and I told you before he had the best record of all of us on his discharge papers.

Mr. Griffin.

I think maybe we can conclude here. I am asking you to identify some interview reports that we have, and I will give you a chance to read them over. I am going to mark for identification three different exhibits.

Mr. Rubenstein.

O.K.

Mr. Griffin.

The first one is an interview report prepared by Special Agent George H. Parfet.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; I know him.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to start with these chronologically. The first one is a copy of an interview report prepared by special agents of the FBI, Maurice J. White and Robert B. Lee, of an interview that they had with you on November 24, 1963, in Chicago.
I am going to mark this "Washington, D.C., deposition of Hyman Rubenstein, June 5th, 1964, Exhibit No. 3." This consists of two pages numbered at the bottom 193 and 194, respectively.
I will hand you the exhibit and ask you to read it over and then I will ask you some questions about it.

Mr. Rubenstein.

That is about correct. Because I didn't know anything else.
(Hyman Rubenstein Exhibit No. 3 was marked for identification.)

Mr. Griffin.

You have had a chance to examine Exhibit No. 3.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Are there any corrections you feel ought to be made in that report?

Mr. Rubenstein.

The only thing I am doubtful is this, "He then had Jack as a salesman for several companies believed to be the Stanley Oliver Company and the Spartan Company now defunct." That I am sure about. That is the only paragraph. The rest of it is 100 percent true. And that is the way it was as I remember it.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you not sure that he had jobs with both companies?

Mr. Rubenstein.

The Spartan Co. there was such a company and Jack and Harry Epstein was his partner at that time and they sold novelties and premiums.
By the way, Harry Epstein was a business associate of Jack's for a good many years and knows him well. If there is anything that you might want to find out about his impetuousness or his decisive manner, because Harry and Jack