Mr. Rubenstein.

always fought verbally, so Harry can give you a pretty good reason or reasons of his personality in that respect.
I don't know where you can find Harry. He could be in Chicago, he could be anywhere.

Mr. Griffin.

The family has lost track of him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Well, look; when the partnership breaks up--normally the partner comes over to the house .and you meet him and see him and you have lunch with him. But when it breaks up you lose all contact with those people because he wasn't my contact, he was Jack's contact. And Jack being in Dallas all these years we didn't even see Harry.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Harry, would you say Harry, was one of the people who knew him best when he lived in Chicago?

Mr. Rubenstein.

One of the best.

Mr. Griffin.

Who would you say, who else would you say, knew Jack best when Jack lived in Chicago?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Benny Kay.

Mr. Griffin.

What was his connection with Benny Kay.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Very dear friends.

Mr. Griffin.

Any business associates?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know as any business associates but Benny Kay is a well respected businessman in Chicago.

Mr. Griffin.

I am not asking for important people who knew him.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Let's say they bummed around together quite a bit.

Mr. Griffin.

But if we were to go out and look for people who knew Jack better than anybody else, outside of the family, who were the people that you would name?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Put his name down, Benny Kay.

Mr. Griffin.

Who else would you name?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Harry Epstein.

Mr. Griffin.

Who else?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Hershey Colvin, and this Marty Gimpel that died, Marty could have given you a better report than anybody. Because Marty lived with him down in Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

I am talking about Chicago.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Marty knew his from Chicago, Marty worked at the pest office in Chicago.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Alex Gruber?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Don't know him. Never heard his name. Isn't that odd? Of all the names that are in Chicago I never heard of him.

Mr. Griffin.

How about Sam Gordon?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Sam Gordon was a business associate of Jack, but not as good as these others. Sam was in the highlight of the depression and then moved to L.A.

Mr. Griffin.

So your idea was Benny Kay, Hershey Colvin and Harry Epstein outside of Marty Gimpel who is now deceased?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Those would be three as far as I know. You see we all had our own friends, so I didn't know too many of Jack's except when he would bring them to the house or we would meet somewhere by accident, downtown, somewhere, you know, run into each other in the street.

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to hand you what I have marked--incidentally, if you are satisfied with that--

Mr. Rubenstein.

Except for what I told you here the only incident was this Stanley Oliver Corp., I don't know whether Jack sold any stuff, maybe he did. I don't know about those things.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you then sign on the first page, Exhibit No. 3?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Right here?

Mr. Griffin.

Sign it in some conspicuous place.

Mr. Rubenstein.

How about down here?

Mr. Griffin.

Fine. I will hand you now what I have marked for identification as "Exhibit No. 4, Washington, D.C., June 5th, 1964, deposition of Hyman Rubenstein." This is a copy of the interview report prepared by Special Agent George