Mr. Rubenstein.

wife, not for you," tease you. I go over and I get a can of imported English candy. "Take this home to the family." "Thank you, Hy, come back again, you are a nice guy." That is how I had business in Massachusetts.

Mr. Griffin.

When were you doing this now?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Always. I still do it. I got a half case home now.

Mr. Griffin.

Any other candy companies you deal with?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Flavor; same thing. I buy half pound bags of hard candy, if the order is only $50, I can't afford to give them a box of candy, mints.

Mr. Griffin.

How about the Welch Gaudy Co.?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Never, don't even know them. But I think this Necco bought out the Welch Co., but I am not sure. That Necco is a big outfit now but I never done any business with Welch.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you ever had any occasion to communicate with any people in Latin America?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; I think I sent down one time a sample, somebody gave them my name, how I got it, I don't know, some ribbons. He wanted me to quote them prices on ribbons. So I mailed them some sample ribbons. I never heard from them no more.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was it?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't remember, this was years ago, 5, 6 years ago.

Mr. Griffin.

How about--have you any occasion to communicate with anybody in Havana?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know anybody in Havana. Jack had friends there. Jack had a lot of friends there when the gambling was going good and one of his friends from Dallas was a big shot down there and he invited Jack down. Jack told me this himself. He invited Jack down to stay with him for a week and Jack flew down, I think, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you this question directly.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall ever having sent a telegram to Havana. Cuba, from your brother Earl's telephone?

Mr. Rubenstein.

A telegram? No. I would have no reason for it.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you think of anybody outside of Earl's family or employees who might have used his business phone?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Earl has got 110 employees, God bless him. You know anybody can pick up a phone in an office with 110 employees and make a call or call Western Union and charge it to the phone.

Mr. Griffin.

I am asking you outside of that.

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I never did. no. Havana, Cuba, is as strange to me as what was that word I gave you before, as Rhodesia. I think Jack went down there one time and he had a connection for automobiles. This was when Castro first went down there, I think it was in 1959. At that time Castro was a friend of the United States. Jack was going to try to sell them a lot of trucks or cars or something. Anyhow, the deal fell through. whatever it was, with his friends from Dallas; may I add this?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

If you are trying to infer that Jack had any connections with Castro or communism, that is not our brother. First of all, Jack couldn't even spell communism. I mean it in the sense of the word, the relationship, none.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me say I don't want to infer anything. I am simply asking you questions to clarify matters.

Mr. Rubenstein.

You can clarify it right now. I will bet my life that Jack wouldn't have anything to do and never did with anybody. Jack didn't go for that kind of stuff. He wasn't that kind of a man. These Communists are supposed to be well read, beatniks, students of universities. Jack doesn't qualify for that kind of a deal. His friends are showgirls, tavern owners, gamblers. other nightclub people, promoters, manufacturers, that was his life, that is all. He opened two nightclubs. What has he got to do with these other kinds of people? What has he got to gain by it? He was doing good. He wore good clothes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have any political interests?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't think so; not in Dallas, I don't think in Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have any political interest in Chicago?