Mr. Rubenstein.

Eva, because Eva spoke to Jack about it, and-Jack told Eva that.

Mr. Griffin.

So it is your understanding that Eva learned this from Jack?

Mr. Rubenstein.

From Jack directly.

Mr. Griffin.

And he thought Oswald was using a phoney name in the advertisement and trying to disgrace the Jews?

Mr. Rubenstein.

And also disgracing the President. You don't call a President Mr. Kennedy. You call him Mr. President with respect to his title. And also trying to disgrace the name of Earl Warren, Supreme Court Justice of the United States.

Mr. Griffin.

And he thought Oswald might have done the same thing?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Right or his organization or somebody connected with that group whoever it was. He couldn't understand it, somebody was doing it. There was the evidence and that bothered him. It kept boiling in him and boiling in him and finally he blew up and when he saw Oswald then he really blew up, and that is all I can tell you, gentlemen.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know or have you heard of anything that happened in Dallas between the time the President was shot and the time that Jack shot Oswald--

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

That would have led Jack to think that other people thought the Jews were behind the assassination of the President?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I did not hear anything like that. You see we didn't go down to Dallas--I didn't go down there to Dallas--until almost Christmas time. That was almost a whole month so I didn't know anything about it.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to make sure my question is clear because it is possible that it can be misunderstood. I am not suggesting that the Jews were--that the Jews were behind the assassination.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Of course not.

Mr. Griffin.

What I am suggesting is that there might have been that kind of talk in Dallas which might have disturbed Jack and whether you heard that there was, whether you heard that there was such kind of talk going on in Dallas that did disturb him.

Mr. Rubenstein.

The only talk that I heard from people in Dallas that there are a lot of anti-Semites who don't like Jews. That is the only talk I heard.

Mr. Griffin.

Where? Had you heard that before you went down to Dallas?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; after I got down there.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any personal experiences with Jack that would shed some light on his sensitivity about his position as a person of Jewish background in the community--personal experiences that you would have?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Except what I heard from the Bund meetings in Chicago from his friends. His own friends told me he used to go break them up, and that takes a little guts to walk into a meeting and break it up, in my opinion. How many guys would do that?

Mr. Griffin.

I am going to digress here a bit.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Good, go ahead.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you, when you were traveling in Michigan on your job, did you have occasion to visit Earl, your brother Earl, at his home?

Mr. Rubenstein.

At the plant?

Mr. Griffin.

At the plant.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Sure; several times.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have occasion to use his telephone, make calls from his plant?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I possibly could have.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you--have you ever had any dealings with any people in Massachusetts in the course of your business?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; the Necco Confectionery Co., 254 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge 39, Mass.

Mr. Griffin.

What were your dealings with them?

Mr. Rubenstein.

If you give me an order for $100 or $150 for ribbons or for novelties whatever you use in your florist business, I like you. I like you. So I go to my car and I says, "Wait a minute, I have got something for the