Mr. Mccullough.

of the basement is a door. And this section right here is, I think it is called, the police check-in room.

Mr. Griffin.

Jail office?

Mr. Mccullough.

Jail office.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you want to write in there "Jail Office" where that is?

Mr. Mccullough.

There is a door then leading into the corridor. This is the ramp. It is a slight grade, leading down to the parking levels on either side of the ramp. There are several large pillars, I guess over 2 feet square concrete pillars, along here.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you to write in there what is the ramp that the automobiles come in from the streets.

Mr. Mccullough.

These would be--as a matter of fact, this is the in lane, and this is the out lane.

Mr. Griffin.

You have drawn an arrow indicating the in lane which is Main Street, if you want to write that in.

Mr. Mccullough.

I didn't know the names of the streets there.

Mr. Griffin.

And, of course, the out, or up ramp is Commerce Street.

Mr. Mccullough.

I was there for a sufficiently long time, for instance, that there were very few reporters there when I arrived. The police officers on duty asked me several times for credentials, which I showed. I was there while they went into parked police cars and removed from the parked police cars weapons which they took somewhere into the jail office. I was when they backed in an armored car from the Commerce Street exit. They could not get it very far back because of overhead ducts, the heating ducts serving the building. So they had to leave the armored car virtually at the exit. It was parked then on an incline.

Mr. Griffin.

Where did you station yourself?

Mr. Mccullough.

The railing that I mentioned leads along this ramp, and actually it is two metal bars. And I stood on the upper metal bar, leaning against this pillar. In other words, my position would have been here, where I am putting this "X."

Mr. Griffin.

And let me state for the record that you have marked a position on the railing which is along what I will call the entrance to the garage. You might write "garage" there. And it is not the railing that is actually on the Commerce Street ramp, or Main Street ramp.

Mr. Mccullough.

Actually--that is right. I was immediately against the pillar. In other words, I was using the pillar for support.

Mr. Griffin.

And you were on the Commerce Street side of the garage?

Mr. Mccullough.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, as you stood up there on that pillar, or on that railing, do you remember. an automobile coming out of the garage and coming up the Main Street ramp just shortly before Oswald came out?

Mr. Mccullough.

No; I do not. I remember one car coming out of the parking level and heading toward the Commerce Street ramp, and parking there. Because, for awhile I feared--had it not moved forward, it would have blocked my vision. But it did move forward slightly toward Commerce Street, and then it did give me a clear view.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall what ability you had to see from the that you were at up to the top of the Main Street, ramp, and to distinguish faces and figures?

Mr. Mccullough.

This would have been very limited. I made no effort look in that direction.

Mr. Griffin.

My real question is do you recall--

Mr. Mccullough.

No; I don't recall. I may add--the area along the inner part of the ramp, that is the part of the ramp closest to the parking garage, and nearest to Main Street, was pretty well taken up by television cameras the heavy rolling type, rather than the hand type of equipment.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall any initial instructions that were given press people in the basement, as to where they were to station themselves?

Mr. Mccullough.

Yes; we were told by several police officers--as a matter of fact, from the first moment of my entry into this area, I was told that we were