Mr. Mccullough.

an hour, I went back to the hotel. I am sorry that I am fuzzy on the times, but I have not used my notes to recollect or jog my memory on all these things.
I perhaps should have. But I haven't had an opportunity.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have your notes with you now?

Mr. Mccullough.

No; I do not. They would be in the office. I used a regular spiral notebook, and kept pretty full notes. However, I did give a statement to the two agents from the FBI of the Philadelphia office, within a few days after my return to Philadelphia. This would have been before the end of November and the times would, of course, have been a great deal clearer.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you use your notes in the course of that interview?

Mr. Mccullough.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you remain in the press conference room for a substantial period of time after Henry Wade left, or did you follow out and do something?

Mr. Mccullough.

I would say between a half hour and an hour. In other words, when all of the police officials and other municipal officials of Dallas left, there was no one else to talk to, so I left.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain at the police department that night, then?

Mr. Mccullough.

Well, it would have been from perhaps 8 p.m. Dallas time, Friday night, November 22, until perhaps somewhere between 2 and 3 a.m. of the Saturday folloWing, November 23.

Mr. Griffin.

What time is it your best recollection that you returned to the police department during the day on Saturday?

Mr. Mccullough.

Probably about 10 a.m., and I say that again without any vivid recollection, but because of the fact that we are an afternoon paper and we are publishing in that period. And this was my assignment.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you. able to recall what you were doing and whether you were at the police department between approximately 2 in the afternoon on Saturday and 6 in the evening?

Mr. Mccullough.

No; this I cannot recall.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you go to the police department some time Sunday morning?

Mr. Mccullough.

I went to the police department Sunday morning at about 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Griffin.

And where did you station yourself?

Mr. Mccullough.

I went first to--again--to the police headquarters offices on the third floor, and then went down to the basement garage after it was explained to me that Oswald would be moved to the basement garage level in a special elevator serving the cell block, and would be taken from the basement level, put in a vehicle, and taken to the county prison.

Mr. Griffin.

About how long before Oswald actually came out did you go down into the basement?

Mr. Mccullough.

There, again, it is a guess. I would say an hour, an hour and a half. I was there quite a long time.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall where you were standing at the time that Oswald was shot?

Mr. Mccullough.

Yes; this I recall very clearly, because I stood on a guard railing protecting a ramp leading to a parking level in the garage. This was a metal railing perhaps 2 feet high, and I stood there supporting myself against a very .wide concrete pillar to get a better look at what was going on. There were so many people there, it was difficult to get a decent look, because of my height.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you familiar--as you are down there in that basement, and you are standing on that guard railing, looking toward the jail office that Commerce Street is on your left, or to the south, and Main Street is on your right, or to the north?

Mr. Mccullough.

I am not too familiar with the streets.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me give you a sheet of paper. Why don't you draw a diagram of that basement, and see if we cannot locate you in reference most particularly to the ramp and the jail office.

Mr. Mccullough.

This on an overall basis would be the municipal building. This cross section would be the basement level. Leading into the garage section