Mr. Pappas.

It didn't limit it at all--from my knowledge of the instrument. It is nondirectional microphone. Its field travels in a slightly elliptical fashion. But it encompasses a greater area.

Mr. Griffin.

I have here a number of pictures which I think you provided to the FBI.

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What I would like to do is to have you look at them. But I want to mark them first. And I would like to get some idea of what distances are really involved in these pictures. I am going to mark a single large photograph which shows a picture of Jack Ruby approaching Lee Oswald, and Oswald in this picture is not looking at Ruby--I am going to mark this Icarus M. Pappas Deposition, July 29, 1964, Exhibit No. 1. (The document referred to was marked Icarus M. Pappas Deposition Exhibit No. 1 for identification.)

Mr. Griffin.

I want to ask you to look at it with me. Now, you are in this photograph, and I take it you are the person who someone has circled in ink.

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

About how far are you actually standing from Jack Ruby as you recall in that picture?

Mr. Pappas.

From Ruby, I don't know, because he was just a blur over to my left I was approximately 5 feet--5 or 6 feet from Oswald.

Mr. Griffin.

I see. I am going to mark the next picture in the same manner--Icarus M. Pappas Deposition, July 29, 1964, Exhibit No. 2.
(The document referred to was marked Icarus M. Pappas Deposition Exhibit No. 2 for identification.)

Mr. Griffin.

This is a series of six photographs on one photographic sheet. It is a sequence of shots showing Lee Oswald approaching, and in each of the first four pictures, starting at the top, you appear, and your head is circled. In the first picture in the middle row, you can see you holding out a microphone. Do you have any recollection, or are you able to give us any identification at that point where the microphone is being held out in this first picture in the second row how far that microphone really was from Lee Oswald?

Mr. Pappas.

Well, it was at this point that I was asking my question, and it was--maybe 4 feet, or 5 feet.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, the next picture, and that is the second picture in the second row, shows a figure which is Jack Ruby approaching toward Oswald, and the microphone appears to be between Ruby and Oswald.

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have any idea in that picture how far the microphone would be from Jack Ruby's face?

Mr. Pappas.

From Jack Ruby's face?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Pappas.

No; I do not. I did not see Jack Ruby at that point. I could not estimate it, because I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, how far was the path that Jack Ruby traveled as he would have got directly in front of you--how far would he have been from you at that point? Do you have some recollection of his path?

Mr. Pappas.

It was just a quick streak. I don't want to mislead you.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't want you to. I don't want to lead you into saying something which you cannot be accurate about.

Mr. Pappas.

No. I was concentrating on Oswald. He was the person that we had to speak to. And--you notice I am watching Oswald throughout. Here is Ruby, apparently going right for him. -And I suppose when he got up around forward of me, I saw this flash. And I really cannot judge.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have any recollection of having to pull the microphone back as this flash went past you?

Mr. Pappas.

No. I realized at a certain point that Oswald was not going to answer my question, and I still held it out. It was still out here. And--it was still projected forward at that point, still hoping that he might turn around and say something.

Mr. Griffin.

Again let me ask you--what is your best estimate of how far Oswald was from you, as you look at the second picture in the second row?