Testimony of Icarus M. Pappas

The testimony of Icarus M. Pappas was taken at 9 a.m., on July 29, 1964, 200 Maryland Avenue NE., Washington, D.C., by Mr. Burt W. Griffin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to introduce myself for the record.
My name is Burt Griffin. I am a member of the advisory staff of the general counsel's office of the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy. The Commission was set up pursuant to an Executive order of President Johnson and a joint resolution of Congress, in November of last year. As you probably know, the Commission has been directed to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy and the death of Lee Harvey Oswald, and to report back to President Johnson on all the facts we are able to determine.
We have asked you to come here in particular this morning, Mr. Pappas, because you were in Dallas on the 22d, 23d, and 24th, and you had occasion to meet Jack Ruby.
Now, under the rules of the Commission, I have been specifically designated to take your deposition. I might also add that under the Commission's rules, you are entitled to receive a 3-day notice in writing before you appear here. So I would ask you at the outset if you did receive a letter from us and when it was that you actually received it.

Mr. Pappas.

Yes; actually, I received it Monday afternoon, this being Wednesday.

Mr. Griffin.

Then we have not complied with the 3-day notice requirement. But I see you are here. And I presume you are willing to waive the notice requirement.

Mr. Pappas.

Oh, yes; that is why I came here.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any questions you would want to ask me about deposition we are going to take before we get into it?

Mr. Pappas.

I don't think so. I think I may have a question as we go along.

Mr. Griffin.

Feel free to ask it.

If you will raise your right hand--do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Pappas.

I, do.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you state for the record your name?

Mr. Pappas.

Icarus M. Pappas.

Mr. Griffin.

Where do you live now?

Mr. Pappas.

301 East 48th Street, Manhattan.

Mr. Griffin.

New York?

Mr. Pappas.

New York City.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you living there in November of 1963?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And where were you employed at that time?

Mr. Pappas.

WNEW Radio.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you still employed there?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that a New York radio station?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, did you happen to be in Dallas on the 22d of November?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When was it that you arrived in Dallas?

Mr. Pappas.

Approximately 8 p.m., Dallas time.

Mr. Griffin.

Is that when you arrived at the airport?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you go to the Dallas Police and Courts building some time later that evening?

Mr. Pappas.

Yes. It was the city hall.

Mr. Griffin.

About how long did it take you to get out there? When would you expect you arrived?