Mr. Rheinstein.

offer the fact that a guy who has been out there in a mobile unit for over the period of time I was there, I was recognized.

Mr. Ball.

As a man with NBC?

Mr. Rheinstein.

As a man with NBC.

Mr. Ball.

I see.

Mr. Rheinstein.

And as a director, you know.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you go down the ramp in the morning, on Sunday morning?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did you walk down the ramp?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Were you alone at that time?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I had a cameraman with me.

Mr. Ball.

Did you have a camera?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Well, the electronic camera was already down there, although later on I supervised the moving of a camera down there.

Mr. Ball.

Did you have a badge on display?

Mr. Rheinstein.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Did the cameraman have a badge on display?

Mr. Rheinstein.

No. This was one of our problems, because after the shooting they insisted on badges and the WBAP--although I carry a Los Angeles Police Department Badge, which proved sufficient, the WBAP men had no identification.

Mr. Ball.

Now, I have the first name of a cameraman at WBAP, Herman.

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes; that's the wrong first name, it's Homer.

Mr. Ball.

Homer?

Mr. Rheinstein.

And I still can't remember the last name. But he and I, Belli subpenaed he and I down in Dallas on the trial. We never got on the stand. I can't think of his name.

Mr. Ball.

Then there was a reporter named Pettit, you have mentioned his name.

Mr. Rheinstein.

Tom Pettit; right.

Mr. Ball.

Then a film man from Shreveport, La.

Mr. Rheinstein.

Whose name still escapes me.

Mr. Ball.

He is a free lancer?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

And he was just working for you that day?

Mr. Rheinstein.

He was working over that 3-day period.

Mr. Ball.

As a film man for you?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Right. Either of these men's names are available if you want to call up.

Mr. Ball.

Would you do that and call it in?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I sure will.

Mr. Ball.

I think that's all. Is there anything else you would like to tell us or that you think would be of any assistance to us in the investigation? Do you know anything else other than what you have already told us about the problem?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I really don't. I really don't. You know, I don't think this is particularly valid for the record, but my overall impression was that Ruby had no particular in with the Dallas police, he was---if you work in the news business there is a type, and you know this a lot better than I do, who enjoys authority, and to ingratiate himself into what he considers high places he does almost anything. The general attitude of the police and the people of the Dallas press and whatnot of Ruby is that he was sort of a nuisance, but an omnipresent nuisance, you know, he w. as the kind of guy you just accepted there, and I have always said this is just the kind of guy who becomes practically inconspicuous because he is well enough known as a nuisance type, and I have always--my own personal conviction, which is worth absolutely nothing, is that if there had been not a newsman in the place, somebody would have been sure to find Ruby there and pushed him out of the way, but Ruby would have been able to get in simply because he was such a familiar type, you know, everybody there just knew who he was. I never found anybody who said anything endearing about him. That's
all I can say.

Mr. Ball.

That's all, then, I guess.

Icarus M. Pappas