Mr. Rheinstein.

as he was shot a number of people recognized him and we got the name right to our reporter, who was actually there while he was shot, which was Tom Pettit.

Mr. Ball.

Then the first time you heard his name was on Sunday after the shooting?

Mr. Rheinstein.

We had his name about 10 minutes or less than 10 minutes after he shot him, actually. NBC did, and we were late because we were all out-of-towners.

Mr. Ball.

Then when you saw the mug shot, when your group saw the mug shot on a replay of the tape you knew, the name of the man?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Now, how many of you were around the camera or how many of you saw the mug shot?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I would guess the discussion was had with about four or five people. Basically the men who work in the truck. And, I'm sorry, I can get the names of the men who were there for you, but I--

Mr. Ball.

You don't have the names now?

Mr. Rheinstein.

There are too many trucks and too many things. There would be a switcher and a director and a video engineer and an audio man.

Mr. Ball.

They were all Fort Worth people, were they?

Mr. Rheinstein.

All WBAP, Fort Worth, and they were the same group who had been with us constantly. And there was a technical supervisor who also was there. I can put their faces to you, but I can't give you their names.

Mr. Ball.

You don't remember their names. Now, I will turn to another subject, Mr. Rheinstein. Did you go in the police building on Saturday and on Sunday?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

You weren't there on Sunday, were you?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

You were at the police building on Sunday?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Ball.

Where were you?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Well, I had two mobile units on Sunday morning because they were moving him from he city to the county. I started at the city, made sure the cameras were all in place and--

Mr. Ball.

That's in the basement of the city hall?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes. One was in the basement, two were actually on the third floor, and, as a matter of fact, what we were trying to do was move one of the cameras from the third floor down to the basement, so I left instructions to do that and went down to the county jail where we had another mobile unit, for the first time, and we had a communications setup where I would, since I knew everything, I would call the shots, so to speak, from the county. Right before they were going to move him I came back for a last minute cheek at the city jail, and actually at the time of the shooting I was at the county jail. About 30 minutes later, 40, 40 minutes probably, after the shooting, and after we went off the air, I came back, we dispatched the county Jail unit to the hospital and I came back and operated once again out of the city jail, so I was there a number of times.

Mr. Ball.

You were at the country jail, then, at the time of the actual shooting?

Mr. Rheinstein.

At the time of the shooting I was calling the shots in the other mobile unit.

Mr. Ball.

All right. Now, on Saturday when you went into the various parts of the building that were being used by the Dallas Police Department, were you ever asked to identify yourself in order to get in?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I think conceivably once I was asked to show a credential.

Mr. Ball.

What about on Sunday morning when you went into the basement?

Mr. Rheinstein.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Were you asked to show a credential?

Mr. Rheinstein.

No. In fairness to the Dallas Police Department, I would