Mr. Ball.

And you had ordered the fried chicken for your lunch, had you?

Mr. Rheinstein.

We had ordered 14 fried chicken dinners to feed the group.

Mr. Ball.

All right. ,Now, this incident, then, must have occurred in the afternoon of the 23d of November?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

And did you see it on your screen?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I saw the man who I am reasonably certain was Ruby go into a door where Henry Wade purportedly was. I did not see him come out.

Mr. Ball.

He went in, but you didn't see him come out?

Mr. Rheinstein.

He went in. He was later reported to have come out and he was followed in about 10 minutes by District Attorney Wade who then became available for questioning by newsmen.

Mr. Ball.

Was it reported or did anybody tell you, any of your men tell you why this man had gone into Wade's office?

Mr. Rheinstein.

The cameraman and stage manager reported to me. on the earphones that this man, who was never, by the way, identified by name, always referred to as "the creep who was down at the truck," had told them that he knew Wade personally and he could get some information for us or he could get him to come out and talk to us. Both during that day and, of course, during the following days, in discussions with the newsmen around there, there seem no question about the fact that the most distinguishing thing about Ruby was his desire to be friendly with the press and also to indicate that he had an entree--not necessarily influence, but an entree into the police rooms and-premises at city hall.

Mr. Ball.

Now, did you see him later that day in or around your truck?

Mr. Rheinstein.

The last time we would have seem him--the last time I saw him either in person or on the television screen was when he walked in the door where Wade allegedly was.

Mr. Ball.

And that was in the afternoon?

Mr. Rheinstein.

That would be in the afternoon; right.

Mr. Ball.

Before dinner time?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Oh, yes; it would have been, because we left there at 5:30, to go to WBAP to continue broadcasting.

Mr. Ball.

Then it would have been before 5 that you saw him go in, to Wade's office?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Yes; I would say so. Certainly before 6.

Mr. Ball.

And how many times do you think you saw him on the street, on the sidewalk?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I would say once on the sidewalk, once in the truck--or once poking his face into the truck, and twice with our cameras.

Mr. Ball.

And the entire span of time, then, was sometime late in the morning until not later than 5 in the afternoon?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Five to six; right.

Mr. Ball.

New, you mentioned the fact that you didn't know this man's name that you saw these several times.

Mr. Rheinstein.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

And the next day you did alone identify the picture of Ruby as the man you had seen the day before, or were there some others who agreed with you that they had seen him?

Mr. Rheinstein.

There were a good number of the men of the same crew that identified him.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me, when was it that you did identify him, tell me the circumstances.

Mr. Rheinstein.

We identified him--the first time we took a good look at his face, at his picture, was a mug shot which was a front and profile shot which somebody obtained while still wet on the third floor of the Dallas Police Department, and our reporter was Pettit, Tom Pettit, and he held the mug shot in front of the electronic camera where it was transmitted to a tape machine where it was taped, and on both looking at it at the first time and on subsequent replays of the tape we were certain that this was the man we had seen around the truck. We certainly had his name almost immediately, because as soon