Mr. Ball.

In other words, it's your impression that you saw Jack around your sound truck on Saturday, November the 23d?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

About when is the first time that you saw him there?

Mr. Rheinstein.

To the best of my recollection, I would say it was late morning.

Mr. Ball.

Before lunch?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Before lunch.

Mr. Ball.

And just tell in your own words what you noticed then and what he did and what you saw.

Mr. Rheinstein.

My initial impression of Ruby was that a man, whom we later identified as Ruby, put his head through the open window of our remote truck very near the television monitors and was interestedly watching the pictures on the monitor. He caused me to look up because in putting his head through the window he put aside a curtain allowing light into the otherwise darkened truck.

Mr. Ball.

How close were you to him at that time?

Mr. Rheinstein.

I would say about 3 feet. No more than 3 feet. He made no impression, because there had been several other people who had done this; not a large number of people, but it was an irritant, so his face became fixed. Do you want me to go on?

Mr. Ball.

Yes; go ahead.

Mr. Rheinstein.

Subsequently, in walking around outside the truck later I saw the same man, and I believe in person twice more and I believe I saw him during the day on our television monitors, which were not at the time necessarily being broadcast, although they were being taped possibly back in Fort Worth, but the electronic cameras are on all the time and this man passed by. He was later pointed out--

Mr. Ball.

By "passed by," you mean on the sidewalk?

Mr. Rheinstein.

No; in the corridors.

Mr. Ball.

Oh, in the corridors?

Mr. Rheinstein.

In the corridors.

Mr. Ball.

What floor?

Mr. Rheinstein.

We had cameras on the third floor and cameras on the ground floor.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you believe

Mr. Rheinstein.

I would say both times when we saw him he was on the third floor.

Mr. Ball.

And he passed the cameras?

Mr. Rheinstein.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

And that was during the daytime or evening?

Mr. Rheinstein.

That would all be during the daytime on Saturday.

Mr. Ball.

And would that be in the morning or the afternoon that you saw him?

Mr. Rheinstein.

It would be in the morning and in the afternoon. The most pointed appearance, or the most memorable appearance of his followed an incident that took place thusly--do you want me to go ahead?

Mr. Ball.

Yes; go ahead.

Mr. Rheinstein.

An unidentified WBAP engineer alleged that the man we had seen around the truck, subsequently identified as Ruby, had taken one of the fried chicken dinners which had been brought into the truck for the WBAP crew. This allegation was made when he was seen on the third floor going into an office in which District Attorney Henry Wade was purportedly working. The reason this was significant was that reporters had not been permitted inside that office, and this man whom the cameraman pointed out as the same one who had earlier been around the truck had gained access where newsmen had been unable to gain access.

Mr. Ball.

Now, would that be after lunch?

Mr. Rheinstein.

That would be after lunch, because this was all tied up with he being the fellow who allegeally took the fried chicken dinner.