Mr. Rubenstein.

off, "Can you imagine, can you imagine," like that, and he sounded like he had tears in his eyes.

Mr. Griffin.

What else do you recall him saying during that conversation?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I couldn't say much, because we still felt that sickness when the President got shot.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you do most of the talking?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I let him talk, I wanted him to talk.

Mr. Griffin.

Why did you want him to talk?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Because he was so close to the situation. He was close to Dallas. He probably has got some facts that we didn't get out here.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ask him what was going on down there?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I didn't ask him anything because I felt it was enough. I didn't want to know anything. That was enough to hear.

Mr. Griffin.

Were your two sisters home when you called?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; I think that Mary spoke to him first and then I got on the phone.

Mr. Griffin.

About how long did you speak to him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

About, I would say 10 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did your sisters speak to him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know. We weren't--we had the television turned on, I had my television turned on, in the living room trying to get the news.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, are you clear in your mind that this conversation about thinking about coming back--

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; definitely.

Mr. Griffin.

No; that i,t happened on, at the 9 o'clock telephone call.

Mr. Rubenstein.

9 o'clock telephone call, Friday night, the day of the assassination.

Mr. Griffin.

Well now, did Jack make some other calls to you in the next day or so?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I .think he did. I think he did.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you think, do you have any clear recollection?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I think he called everybody. He called Eileen, and I think he called us, and he called Earl.

Mr. Griffin.

I am just asking you to think about what happened to you. What did you do after the telephone call?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I hung up. What is there to do?

Mr. Griffin.

What did you do the rest of the evening?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I sat down and watched the rest of the program on television.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you hear again from Jack that night?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't remember. I don't think we did. It was too late then.

Mr. Griffin.

How about--did you hear from any of your other friends or relatives?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Eileen called, I think, after that. She said, "Jack called me," my sister Eileen.

Mr. Griffin.

I see.

Mr. Rubenstein.

And she called the house, too.

Mr. Griffin.

Was your understanding that Jack called both you and Eileen?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

You think he talked to Eileen before or after?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I don't know, he could have called her before.

Mr. Griffin.

How do you fix the time of his call at 9 o'clock?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Good; I am glad you asked me that. Because when I was in Dallas during the trial they were supposed to subpena me as a witness.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Our wonderful lawyer Belli, so Eva and I sat in the hall through the whole trial waiting to be called as witnesses.

Mr. Griffin.

For your brother?

Mr. Rubenstein.

My brother Jack and also about this telephone call. Bob Dennison, our investigator, who the lawyer hired, gave me this message.

Mr. Griffin.

In other words, Bob Dennison had checked some records and found that you had--that he had made a call at that time?