Mr. Rubenstein.

Eileen is married and lives about 2 miles west from where we do.

Mr. Griffin.

Does she work?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; she has two little girls she has to take care of.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember what happened when you got home?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Friday?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Who you talked to and so forth?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What happened? Let's try to take this, if we can, chronologically. What happened when you walked in the door?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I can't remember that particular incident. You mean what time I got home and what happened? I don't remember. I don't even remember who was home.

Mr. Griffin.

What is the first thing you remember doing when you were home that evening or afternoon?

Mr. Rubenstein.

The family was--our family couldn't believe it because it happened in Dallas. It was a bad rap for the city of Dallas and we having there members of our family down there, sort of like a black mark; you know, it sort of gets you. How come of all the places, in Dallas? You know. Then we got a call. Would you mind me telling you about?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; I want to know about that.

Mr. Rubenstein.

At 9 o'clock Friday night we got a call from Jack. He felt very, very bad about.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did he talk to you?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Oh, quite a while.

Mr. Griffin.

How long would you say?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I would say 10 or 15 minutes. He was disgusted with the whole situation down there. He said, "You know this is a good time for me to sell out and come back up north."

Mr. Griffin.

Did he talk to you?

Mr. Rubenstein.

To me.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you say?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I didn't know what to tell him. What can I tell him. I am a thousand miles away from him. I don't know what the answer could be, I hadn't seen him in quite a while. I don't know what his position is down there. I couldn't see what his selling out would help with losing our wonderful President. It was too close to the assassination to even think. What could you tell a person?

Mr. Griffin.

Why did he want to sell out?

Mr. Rubenstein.

He was so disgusted and fed up with the whole God damn town, that is why.

Mr. Griffin.

He was upset with Dallas?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Absolutely.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. Tell us what he said that indicated that, and what his earlier problems had been that would have, you know, made him feel that way?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Well, he had no problems outside of this union, and the hiring, getting new girls for the show. That he probably could have straightened out eventually; and he was going all right. He was making money, I imagine, because I believe he was paying all his bills. I think he owed Uncle Sam a little money but he straightened that out eventually.
But the fact is that he probably didn't want to have any connection between a city that murdered his President and him--he just wanted to separate himself from that.

Mr. Griffin.

What did he say to you that indicated that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Because he said, "This is a good time for me to sell out and come back up north."

Mr. Griffin.

That is all you can remember him saying?

Mr. Rubenstein.

That is all I can remember him saying. He says, he started