Mr. Rubenstein.

He wanted me to have it so that I would be able to tell the judge and the jury exactly what happened that Friday night.

Mr. Griffin.

All right. What you have done is handed me an orange sheet of paper which says, "While you were out" and then there is a message written down on it, "Call to Hyman in Chicago, call made from WH 1- 5601, to SH 3-0984 on November 22, 1963, on 9:02 p.m."

Mr. Rubenstein.

Do you want this?

Mr. Griffin.

No; I have read it into the record and that is satisfactory. Thank you. Aside from that note that Mr. Dennison gave you what recollection do you have that you placed the call at about 9 o'clock?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I know it was after 8 o'clock because we had dinner late that evening or something, and I remember getting a call later on in the evening. I didn't know it was exactly 9 o'clock. I didn't know, until Bob handed me the note.

Mr. Griffin.

Is there anything that places the call ,before 10 o'clock?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

What?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Too late. I mean we usually don't get many calls after 9 o'clock at home, usually.

Mr. Griffin.

Well, but--

Mr. Rubenstein.

Under normal procedures we don't.

Mr. Griffin.

Was there anything about this particular call that makes you think it was before 10 o'clock?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I think so. I don't know why. I can't give you a real honest answer, I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have a clear recollection that not only you talked with Jack but that your sisters Marion and Ann talked on that call?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I am almost positive.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack call you again the rest of the weekend? Did you hear from him again?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I think he did call.

Mr. Griffin.

When do you recall hearing from him?

Mr. Rubenstein.

I think he called Saturday night. I think he called the night after. I think so. I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember anything about what was said at that time?

Mr. Rubenstein.

No; I don't because if I remember what he said I would remember if he would have called.

Mr. Griffin.

I want to ask you to think back again to this telephone call and ask yourself if other than this one statement that Jack made about wanting to close the place and come back to Chicago, if there was anything else that Jack said on the phone that indicated to you that he was disgusted and upset with the situation in Dallas, that is with Dallas as a place to stay.

Mr. Rubenstein.

All I can say is this: I believe from the tone of his voice he felt very much heartbroken and very sad and he felt he had lost a very dear friend and he wanted to get away from that site.
Like, let's say like, being removed from the scene of the crime. He just wanted to get away from it.

Mr. Griffin.

So when you talk about disgust or revulsion, do you mean to direct it, could it have simply meant that the recent--that the events that upset him--or do you think he made some special connection with the city itself that he was living in so he wanted--you know you have indicated here he was making some special connection with this place as a place he wanted to have nothing more to do with it?

Mr. Rubenstein.

Yes; that is the way he felt because he lost a very dear friend, that is what I am trying to bring out. He just wanted to get away. He wanted to sell out and he was having--

Mr. Griffin.

Did he indicate what he would do after that?

Mr. Rubenstein.

With a fellow like Jack you don't have to worry what he can do. He can do a thousand things and make a living. He is very capable. And he has got a good mouthpiece. He has proved it before he went into the night-