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(Testimony of George William Fehrenbach)
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; I don't recall anybody calling him anything except Jack. It was either Jack or Mr. Rubenstein and I have never heard him called as Ruby.
There is one reason after we saw it on TV it said Jack Ruby and I believe it was the day after that they came out and said his name was Jack Rubenstein, and then when--of course, they didn't have a real, I never got to see a good picture of that, until a day or so after the actual killing, that when it came out his name as Jack Rubenstein, I don't remember if I heard the radio, TV, or saw in the paper or what, I mentioned it to my wife and I said I knew a Jack Rubenstein One time, she said maybe it is the same man and I said why, I don't think so. That was in Texas and this was back in Indiana and he was from Chicago. Then when they had a picture of him on TV, it was a pretty good picture, it looked very familiar. Of course, he was a little balder then than what he was when I knew him. When I knew him he had a full head of hair, and like I say he was, he had a good muscular build. He wasn't slender. He wasn't what you would say fat but he had a good muscular build on him and a very handsome fellow. He looked like the same one I knew only considerably older.
Mr. Griffin.
Well, from what you saw on television, can you be positive that that was the man that you recall?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; no, this is what I told the boys there in Medford, Oreg. I cannot swear definitely it is the same man. He looks very similar to the one I knew only like I say somewhat older, and I actually didn't think anything about it at the time. whether there could be any connection or not until after they said he was from Chicago, Ill., and then is when I said I should call them up, and tell them that I knew a Jack Rubenstein back down there. And that he was, as far as I can remember, and as far as I know, and to the best of my knowledge, he was a member of the Communist Party at that time, or at least he was certainly thickly associated with them.
Mr. Griffin.
Really, but you don't know anything more about his association other than what you have told us here at this time?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
No; I did not. I never got to Chicago to see him or meet him or see his establishment; as he called it. So I don't know anything about his Chicago activities. The only thing I know is that he did come down there and it seemed like every time they came to Muncie, Ind., they would have one of these meetings, either the day before or the same day, and that there was also quite a bit of talk about this meeting they was having.
Mr. Griffin.
Well, were these meetings during the week or weekends?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Usually during the week. Because Sunday I wouldn't have known anything about it. It could have been on a Sunday--no; it couldn't have been because they were talking about the meeting that night and it couldn't have been on a Saturday night, I am sure, because we would work until 9 o'clock unless they was quite late.
Mr. Griffin.
Now, are you sure that Jack Rubenstein and Charlotte and Seymour came down during the week and not on weekends?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Well, usually they came on the weekend. It was usually now, as near as I can remember, there was only one time that I remember they came that there was a meeting that night. Usually they came down and spent the weekend, I don't know where they stayed, whether they stayed with Sam or Lawson or who they stayed with.
Mr. Griffin.
You only remember one occasion that Seymour and Charlotte came that there was what you called these meetings at night?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Seymour, that was the second time, that was the day that Jack and I went to dinner, Jack Rubenstein, and this was during the week.
Mr. Griffin.
What makes you remember that there was a meeting that night?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
Because they was talking, there had been several, I don't know how many, up there during the day, they was talking about the meeting that night. They never referred to what the meeting was or where the meeting was going to be or anything about it.
Mr. Griffin.
What was it that made you remember the meetings on this particular night?
Mr. Fehrenbach.
You mean the second time that I met this--
Mr. Griffin.
Yes; I take it--
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